Is Joe gaining traction with Dual Survival viewers?

A greater number of positive Huliq commenters came to Joe's defense after last week's episode of Dual Survival; will that fan base continue to grow this season?

It’s another week on the Discovery Channel’s Dual Survival; how are fans settling in with the new partnership of Cody and Joe?

Huliq readers continue to debate the new dynamic in the partnership, and many are still wary of the more military, less survivalist feel of the episodes thus far. Last week’s episode gave fans a chance to see Joe “take point” in the South African bush, but some fans did not necessarily react as Discovery may have hoped. Fans of the show commented on Huliq article, “Joe ‘takes point’ in South African bush, Dual Survival fans react,” and they were blunt:

Reader Pipip thought Joe was, well, not such a nice guy, saying, “Joe is just mean. And for all his military training, he couldn't even kill a catfish. Cody had to do it.”

But, other fans liked what they saw, such as non-embellishing veteran, who disagreed with the negative reviews, saying, “I can actually watch this show now. It's far better with Cody & Joe! I've always liked Cody but I somehow had a feeling when Dave spoke he was just full of crap...guess I was right! Keep up the good work guys, hoo-yah!!”

Fans Liking What They See?

Reader Kate said she liked the look of the new host: “I thought last night's show was excellent....especially when Joe took off his shirt...what a chest!!!!”

But, others, like commenter magman, thought the obvious attempt to pull in female viewers via Joe’s manly attributes was rather cheesy: “It's good to see that Joe was allowed to go back to the Travel Lodge at night in order to shave his belly.... Is there nothing about this man that is not embarrassing??”

New Viewers in the Mix

One anonymous commenter thought the naysayers would keep watching, along with new fans who will enjoy the military vibe now going on with the show: “It seems because of Joe's background he seems to be picking up more fans that are ex or still military. Those people that want to blast the show are still going to watch so they can blast the show, meanwhile Joe will add to the fan base.”

Reader Archer, however, appeared to believe that what Discovery may be gaining in new viewers, it is losing in loyal fans: “Picking up new fans perhaps, but he's driving out the old ones by the drove. As a long time TV watcher I know full well that problems that arise from suddenly changing out a character or actor. Fans are resistant to change yes, but there are other factors at work here in this case.”

Is Support for Joe Growing Overall?

So, while there are still negative comments to be sure, fans who support the change, or who are at least still open to the possibilities of the new season, are beginning to trickle in with their support. Will that support continue to grow as the season goes forward? Tonight, fans will again see more of Joe in the spotlight, according to Discovery Channel’s description of tonight’s episode:

Deep in New Mexico's Chihuahuan Desert, Joe struggles to get out of an abandoned mineshaft. A deadly western diamondback rattlesnake becomes dinner, and a maggot-infested cow carcass puts the team's opposing survival tactics to the test.

Stay tuned.

Dual Survival airs on the Discovery Channel on Tuesday nights at 9/8c.

UPDATED: Did Cody, Joe turn trust-building corner in Hawaii?

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Comments

Submitted by Max (not verified) on
Joe seemed a little too aggressive with his stance on getting out of the poacher’s zone as quickly as possible. While speed is important, it would be reckless to leave behind evidence for others to track. Some of my DISH coworkers thought it was funny that for all his training Joe couldn’t spear the fish, but it took an old fashioned clubbing to bring it down. I’m one of the new viewers since I saw this episode because I saw it on my DISH Hopper What’s Hot feature. I was thumbing through the reality shows that were trending and Dual Survival was nearly on top of the list, so I set a timer for episodes, and now I really want to catch up with the series!

Submitted by Loyal Viewer (not verified) on
I love Dual Survivor! Seen every episode live and watch reruns over and over. Its like comfort food (haha) just nice to sit and watch and learn. BUT, I am having trouble stomaching the new guy. He is just difficult to watch. Abrasive, cocky, know it all, close-minded, stubborn & argumentative. The "feel" of the show just isn't right anymore. It's like watching domestic violence with a controling, overbearing husband. I find myself cringing. I miss the pleasant, cooperative, teaching while entertaining show I fell in love with. I tried to remain loyal, but I gave up and changed the channel during the "you take point in the desert" scene. Nobody wants to watch a bully mumbling under his breath because he doesn't get his way.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
While I was disappointed at first by Dave leaving the show the addition of Joe is a priceless view inside the thinking of our nations Special Forces. It is clearly stated he was in the 1 percent of our military.....1 percent - that's badass. Many may not agree with him but you are getting a free window into what our Special Forces soldiers wold do in the situations he's placed in.Enjoy the show for that alone. I've read every comment everyone has left has left judging Joe's decision making. He's in the 1 percent & and you're still just a keyboard commando :D

Submitted by geosmdavic (not verified) on
That'sa new one. So we are getting a free look eh? Let me tell you what I see.. I see a guy who has no clue about survival next to Dave. He is fake. Bad actor. And the only free window I see is Joe running around with bad hand signals and his shirt open. If joe was a real special ops , then he did his bit for god and country. And I have said this many times in my post I mean no disrespect to the military or anyone who fights for this country.. I uncle was a sniper in the marines ... I didn't get to know him very well cause he died when I was very young.. But my father said SF guy never act like joe.. You want to meet a true hero meet one of those guys... I shake a the hand of one of our military heros every chance I get when I see them.. That's getting a free window.. Not joe!!!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Well said. Anyone who has been around true spec ops would see this guy as bogus - Discovery should be ashamed. I remember when I was finally able to get cable and couldn't wait to be able to view Discovery and the History Channel on a regular basis. For those of you too young to remember those times both those channels used to actually be credible, educational and entertaining. Now they are none of those by any stretch of the imagination.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Well said. Anyone who has been around true spec ops would see this guy as bogus - Discovery should be ashamed. I remember when I was finally able to get cable and couldn't wait to be able to view Discovery and the History Channel on a regular basis. For those of you too young to remember those times both those channels used to actually be credible, educational and entertaining. Now they are none of those by any stretch of the imagination.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
No, the only fake was Dave. You know, the guy that admitted he lied aout his military record/accomplishments after people started asking questions. Yeah, the guy you think is so great, Dave Cantury. Who cares if your uncle was a sniper? Do you think that adds to the credibility of your post? Joe is a true hero you numbskull, not many have done in Iraq and afghanistan,like Joe Teti. His service record speaks for itself.

Submitted by Archer (not verified) on
Okay, lets take your side of the argument for a spin. Lets say for a moment Joe is the real deal, one of the top 1% of the nations armed forces. Show of hands, how many people here are in the top 1% of the nations armed forces, OR at least in the same physical condition as one would be? Think back to when Dave was on the show however. He did a few dumb things here and there true, but aside from wrestling with a gator, everything he did was easily doable by an overweight teen. Nothing he did required extensive military training of average/above average physical condition. I couldnt do half of the stuff Joe has shown since he took up Dave's empty spot. The things he has done so far I COULD duplicate I wouldnt have the nerve or the stomach to do. So, yes, Dave was a liar, he lied about his past, he lied about his exact training. But at least the things he taught us and displayed could be done by an average person. Joe? Not so much. This IS a tv show, so entertainment is going to play a role in what is shown. BUT this is suppose to be a show about pratical survival skills and techniques the average person could use if they were faced with one of the scenaro;s shown. Joe has displayed little if any. So, rather than focus completly on who was honest and who lied about their past, focus on who was/is actually doing their JOB. Cody/Dave/Joe are suppose to be TEACHERS, they are INSTRUCTORS for the viewers to LEARN. If a teacher fails to pass the knowldge they have to their students, they get fired because they have failed to do their job. Now, I'll wrap this up with a question. Would you rather have a teacher with the proper deploma's and lincenses, or a teacher that can actually teach you? Think about that the next time your taking a test.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
You say Joe hasn't taught us anything or more precisely doesn't use the teaching style Dave the imposter has. OK, so what? You are looking to be taught in a particular way where I can make they argument that Joe has taught the viewers valuable skills. Joe sheds light into an ultrawarrior mindset. Doing what it takes to get the job done. I didn't see Cody going UP in elevation to get water despite how important water is in a survival situation. Joe did it. Here is the major difference. Joe has extreme self discipline and what Joe does is application of fundamentals in a stressful situation. That's what separates the men from the boys. There is no magic. It is application of the fundamentals under stress. Most will panic and forget the basics. You talk about being a teacher....Green Berets are force multipliers. Trust me Joe can Teach. What you are correct on is that this show is entertainment and ultimately the cast will be portrayed exactly how the producers and those who edit want it to come out. To answer your loaded question.....I'd have greater faith in someone with Joes credentials than Cody's. The will to survive exceeds the skills to survive. Ask any POW.

Submitted by Archer (not verified) on
Teaching through showing what to do and how to do it is what this show is suppose to be doing. But so far we have havent seen Joe actually do that. My point has nothing to do with style of teaching or what one person would prefer to have for a teacher, its focused on actually teaching. Remember back early in the series when Cody showed how to use a wool sock to easily catch an eel? That was very clever, very easy, but even more important was Cody taking the time to show what to do, how it worked, and why it worked. The mechanics of the technique. Likewise when they were stuck in one of the various forest (they all sort of blend together after a point) Dave showed how you could make improvised arrow heads from a glass beer bottle. From start to finish, from using a rock to carve the breaking line you want to use to how you fit the improvised head into a shaft designed to take standard mass produced arrow heads, and even how to make fletching from duck tape. Now what did Joe show us? How to takle a pig and stab it to death. Really, look up 'feral hogs' on youtube or even watch some of Discover channel's other programming to see how dangrous this really is. My basic point however is that while we have seen Joe DOING plenty, he hasnt at any point (Art of Self not counting) explained WHAT he is doing, why he is doing it, and HOW to do it. I cant learn how to do something if I'm not told or shown the steps in the process or at least given a brief lesson in what I'm doing. This show is suppose to actually teach viewers, you dont teach someone anything by just doing it and having them watch you, not unless they are *very* observent and have decent skills in visual detective work. So I stand by what I said before, Joe hasnt taught us anything so far. I havent seen him sit down and explain how to do anything so far. Lastly, trust me dude/dudette credentials are little more than fancy (and in many cases expensive) pieces of paper. Just because someone has the credentials for something doesnt mean they can teach it well, it just means THEY have an understanding and grasp of the subject. Ask anyone thats spent a few years in collage/apprentice programs, not all teachers can actually teach. I'm not going to argue that Joe isnt military, I'm not going to argue on the grounds of his credentials being through and through valid and accurate, I'm not even going to argue on the grounds of Joe's capabilities or skills when it comes to survival. I WILL however argue about his ability to take that knowldge and teach it to others. Not every person is a good teacher. The best trainers and coaches in the world are RARELY athletes themselves. Is the will to survive important? Duh, yes. Can you actually teach that to someone? Nope. Not to mention the fact that this show is, again, suppose to be about how to survive the wilderness and mother nature, not a POW camp or endure torture and interogation. Even if that WAS the point of the show however I would stand by my claim, Joe can DO plenty, he has shown that, no questions asked. But as an instructor and a teacher he's not doing a very good job.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Ok, Here is the description of the show. There is a KEY word here : DEMONSTRATE. Demonstrate and teach are 2 different things. None know this better than Cody Lundin and Joseph Teti, who take on some of the planet's most unforgiving terrain to demonstrate, in their own way, how the right skills and some creative thinking can keep you alive. Together, with their drastically different backgrounds, the survivalists are dropped into a scenario that could happen to anyone: marooned boaters, lost hikers, stranded mountain climbers. Equipped with minimal gear that would have been carried in the real-life situations, Lundin and Teti must draw upon their arsenal of skills to devise extraordinary ways to use what they can find in their surroundings, as well as ordinary objects, and demonstrate what it takes to stay alive" Where does it say Cody and Joe are going to teach you how to survive? Hint.. It Doe NOT. The problem, Archer, is that your expectations are not being met. You are expecting to have your handheld and instructed via an entertaining demonstration of skills and knowledge television show. You can look various subjects up on YouTube or take a survival course in order to get that. You say Joe hasn't explained anything. I think you have selective hearing. Did you not pay attention when he rigged the parachute to climb down and the usefulness of your reserve chute in a hang-up situation? I don't get your point about how dangerous pigs are or are not. I DO know that they are dangerous BUT can be brought down if you posess the experience of bringing pigs down. I thought he did a great job getting Cody something to eat while Cody played housemaid getting the kitchen ready. As far credentials are concerned, someone with Joe's credential are worth alot more than the paper they are written on. The fact is this...YOU NEED people like Joe Teti and all of the OTHERS in SF, MARSOC, DELTA and DEVGRU. The work they do allows you to express your 'groupie' opinion on boards like this. You should also know this..Greens Berets are FORCE MULTIPLIERS...Arguably they are the best teachers in the Military. Reread the intent of the show and watch the intro videos about what Joe DOES bring to the show. But then, you won't have anything to complain about because Joe is bringing to the show exactly what he was asked to.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Where did you get "Demonstrate" as the only description of the show? From the Discovery website: Dual Survival's Cody Lundin and Joe Teti show how the right skills and creative thinking can keep you alive in the planets most unforgiving places". Key words here: "keep you alive". Cody and Joe wouldn't put themselves into those scenarios without being prepared. This is about everyday people put into these scenarios. You said it yourself, Cody and Joe are put into scenario's that could happen to anyone. They draw upon their expertise to demonstrate what it takes to stay alive. How is that not teaching? When a school teacher demonstrates how to do a math problem is that not teaching? Teaching somebody something usually requires you to demonstrate it first. Cody taught me how to make a fire rubbing two sticks together by first demonstrating how to do it. The whole basis of the show is teaching you skills you didn't know about or how to use things you didn't think about to help you survive if you happened to be a marooned boater or lost hiker. I think YOU are the one who needs to re-think the intent of the show and what it means to demonstrate and teach. Hint: The show does TEACH you how to survive by demonstrating skills and creative thinking.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
OK, I get it. You don't like Joe. You Love Dave and Cody. I heard enough Cody's the best fire maker in the world, teacher, conservationist etc. Dave, despite his perhaps stolen valor, is the best woodsmen in the world.Blah, Blah, Blah...................

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Hello McFly, anyone home? Tell me where I said anything about not liking Joe. Tell me where I even mention the word "Dave". I tried to TEACH you something but you just DEMONSTRATED your ignorance. I think you may have a problem with selective reading, please have someone read these posts for you.

Submitted by Archer (not verified) on
Uh, again, look back at my previous messages, my point has always remaind the same dude/dudette. The point of the show is to teach skills and techniques the average person could use to survive various situations. Remember back in season 2 (I think) where Cody and Dave were playing the part of a bug collector that only had a few basic items, the main being sample collection containers? Tell me, how many scientest/bug collectors do you know who have extensive military training? The single most dangrous thing (note I said dangrous, not stupid) Dave ever did was make a snow anchor to climb down a cliffside due to lacking proper anchore equipment. While this is fairly dangrous, its still pretty simple to figure out the mechanics behind. Partly because its so basic, but mostly because they spent about four minutes showing exactly how to do it. Your own comment however, and I quote: Did you not pay attention when he rigged the parachute to climb down and the usefulness of your reserve chute in a hang-up situation? I don't get your point about how dangerous pigs are or are not. I DO know that they are dangerous BUT can be brought down if you posess the experience of bringing pigs down. Yes, I was paying attention, but at the same time I would NEVER do anything like that, and for a number of reasons not the least which of being my inability to duplicate them. I'm nowhere near as physically fit as Joe (or Dave, or Cody for that matter) so the fact remains what little Joe has done that we have sufficent instruction to duplicate, is still beyond the physical capability of 75% of Americans, and I'd be willing to be at least 60% of the rest of the worlds population. Also you yourself admitted that 'pigs arent dangrous is you know what you're doing'. Well, I sure as heck dont and wouldnt know what to do in that situation. So again, useless as far as myself (and a good number of other people) are concerned. If I want to watch a show where people in great shape do things I have no prayer of ever doing, I'll change the channel over to Spike and watch Ninja Warrior.

Submitted by Archer (not verified) on
Uh, again, look back at my previous messages, my point has always remaind the same dude/dudette. The point of the show is to teach skills and techniques the average person could use to survive various situations. Remember back in season 2 (I think) where Cody and Dave were playing the part of a bug collector that only had a few basic items, the main being sample collection containers? Tell me, how many scientest/bug collectors do you know who have extensive military training? The single most dangrous thing (note I said dangrous, not stupid) Dave ever did was make a snow anchor to climb down a cliffside due to lacking proper anchore equipment. While this is fairly dangrous, its still pretty simple to figure out the mechanics behind. Partly because its so basic, but mostly because they spent about four minutes showing exactly how to do it. Your own comment however, and I quote: Did you not pay attention when he rigged the parachute to climb down and the usefulness of your reserve chute in a hang-up situation? I don't get your point about how dangerous pigs are or are not. I DO know that they are dangerous BUT can be brought down if you posess the experience of bringing pigs down. Yes, I was paying attention, but at the same time I would NEVER do anything like that, and for a number of reasons not the least which of being my inability to duplicate them. I'm nowhere near as physically fit as Joe (or Dave, or Cody for that matter) so the fact remains what little Joe has done that we have sufficent instruction to duplicate, is still beyond the physical capability of 75% of Americans, and I'd be willing to be at least 60% of the rest of the worlds population. Also you yourself admitted that 'pigs arent dangrous is you know what you're doing'. Well, I sure as heck dont and wouldnt know what to do in that situation. So again, useless as far as myself (and a good number of other people) are concerned. If I want to watch a show where people in great shape do things I have no prayer of ever doing, I'll change the channel over to Spike and watch Ninja Warrior.

Submitted by Archer (not verified) on
Uh, again, look back at my previous messages, my point has always remaind the same dude/dudette. The point of the show is to teach skills and techniques the average person could use to survive various situations. Remember back in season 2 (I think) where Cody and Dave were playing the part of a bug collector that only had a few basic items, the main being sample collection containers? Tell me, how many scientest/bug collectors do you know who have extensive military training? The single most dangrous thing (note I said dangrous, not stupid) Dave ever did was make a snow anchor to climb down a cliffside due to lacking proper anchore equipment. While this is fairly dangrous, its still pretty simple to figure out the mechanics behind. Partly because its so basic, but mostly because they spent about four minutes showing exactly how to do it. Your own comment however, and I quote: Did you not pay attention when he rigged the parachute to climb down and the usefulness of your reserve chute in a hang-up situation? I don't get your point about how dangerous pigs are or are not. I DO know that they are dangerous BUT can be brought down if you posess the experience of bringing pigs down. Yes, I was paying attention, but at the same time I would NEVER do anything like that, and for a number of reasons not the least which of being my inability to duplicate them. I'm nowhere near as physically fit as Joe (or Dave, or Cody for that matter) so the fact remains what little Joe has done that we have sufficent instruction to duplicate, is still beyond the physical capability of 75% of Americans, and I'd be willing to be at least 60% of the rest of the worlds population. Also you yourself admitted that 'pigs arent dangrous is you know what you're doing'. Well, I sure as heck dont and wouldnt know what to do in that situation. So again, useless as far as myself (and a good number of other people) are concerned. If I want to watch a show where people in great shape do things I have no prayer of ever doing, I'll change the channel over to Spike and watch Ninja Warrior.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I didnt say pigs 'arent' dangerous. Maybe the 40lb piglet Dave killed on his episode wasn't but the wild ferocious boar that was tearing the bark off the tree's that Joe had to subdue and kill to provide Cody some food was clearly dangerous. Also, it wasn't a feral piglet or prop put out by discovery. Joe's the man.

Submitted by Dual Fan (not verified) on
That retarded pig scene pretty much did the series in for me, the producers are clearly going for Joe as the bad ass "ultimate warrior" so as to suck in all the teen fanboys enthralled by anything called special ops. That said, at least Joe seems like a decent guy...Cody has become virtually intolerable, maybe because now he is the veteran of the show and Joe is the new guy. I dont know, but the chemistry was 10x better with Dave and Cody....and Dave is obviously far superior to either of these guys when it comes to true woodman's skills.

Submitted by Dual Fan (not verified) on
That retarded pig scene pretty much did the series in for me, the producers are clearly going for Joe as the bad ass "ultimate warrior" so as to suck in all the teen fanboys enthralled by anything called special ops. That said, at least Joe seems like a decent guy...Cody has become virtually intolerable, maybe because now he is the veteran of the show and Joe is the new guy. I dont know, but the chemistry was 10x better with Dave and Cody....and Dave is obviously far superior to either of these guys when it comes to true woodman's skills.

Submitted by Carl smith (not verified) on
This guy must be perfect he has obviously never done anything wrong in his life! I personally watch people like this because he is fake. He labeled anonymous that has to be joe! Dave and Cody went together like peanut butter and jelly! I hope Cody had nothing to do with Dave being gone I would lose a lot of respect I have for him. I am a very responsible person that holds a lot of importance in honesty and integrity! I have made mistakes in my life and learned from them! One of first that I learned was not to condemn a person when they are going through this human process! First person without sin cast the first stone! Dave must come back!!!!! We are behind u Dave all the way bro!!!!!!!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Right - you honestly believe that Joe is an example of the 1% like those who went into Pakistan after Bin Laden? Do your parents know you are using their computer? Daves credentals were "clearly stated" by the same 'authorities' - remember how that ended? You get a better representation watching Mutant Ninja Turtles.

Submitted by michelle w. (not verified) on
Wish they would have kept old crew. New guy...not so much. Don't think I'm gonna watch this season.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I would have transfered Joe out of my unit as quickly as it could be arranged - his actions would have put everyone around him in harms way. Anyone who has had any dealing with spec ops units would recognize his demeanor is totally opposite of what the true warriors of our countries military display and those of a poser. He would, at best, be laughed out of any veterans group or NCO club he entered. I do not believe that any TRUE former miltary members will be joining the viewers of this ludicrous show, and I KNOW many former viewers (was anyone over 10 years old really a 'fan'?) are leaving the ranks. Also Discovery's disturbing habit of labeling shows as being "New" when in actuallity they have been previously broadcast (a practice with many of it's programs of late) is destroying any credibility it once had. This is a show for children - young children, and we can only hope and pray that their parents are present to tell them that it is all just a fairy tale.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
We're you in any spec ops unit? Let alone 3? I don't think he was laughed at very much. The fact he DID what he his SRB says implies to me, not very many would be laughing. SInce you believe this is a show for young children is clear insight into your judgement. I have 5 young children and I dont think killing, drinking urine and carving road kill is appropriate for young children as well as bleeps from cusses. THis does not mean I, as an adult, dont appreciate it but if you think its a show for young children then your wrong.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I did not say that the show was FOR children, only that anyone who was a 'FAN' (look up the words that confuse you) had the mentality of a 10 year old. Who do you think drinking urine IS appropriate for? In 28 years of military training not one instructor suggested drinking urine as a viable survival techinque. Road kill? I have seen all the shows with Joe, and have not seen any road kill unless you think that rotten carcass he skinned was hit by an off-road vehicle. I will pray that your children will be exposed to someone with the capacity of intelligent thinking (to avoid confusion on your part that means I don't think you are) at some point in their lives. By the way, it is 'were' not 'we're': the title of your comment, as you wrote it, reads "WE ARE YOU IN ANY SPEC OPS.")

Submitted by Dual Fan (not verified) on
JOE WILL DO ANYTHING TO SURVIVE!!! Come on, that was just so stupid and in the end they didnt even use the square of rotted flesh/hide he carved off it. In an actual survival scenario, messing with that carcass is idiotic. So now the show is just Man vs Wild except Cody is barefoot so they cant take as many unnecessary but visually appealing risks that Bear does. They're going to wish they let Dave's lies go unnoticed because the show is doomed now.

Submitted by Anonymous 007 (not verified) on
Bear's gonna go bear foot (heh-heh), wear/use materials ONLY scavanaged from rotting carcasses, and grow an Achy-Breaky Heart length mullet. He has already killed a pig that was tied up, so he has allll bases covered. Learn children, learn....

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I enjoyed the previous seasons with Dave Canterbury very much. I never missed an episode and watched the reruns constantly. I thought the rapport between Dave & Cody worked and I learned a lot, even for a tv show. I’m very disappointed that Dave is no longer with the show. I watched the 1st episode of the new season and do not care for Dave’s replacement. I have made the decision to not watch the show any longer. In fact, there is very little on the Discovery Channel that interests me. Amish Mafia, Moonshiners are trash (along with several others)– are you people kidding? What has happened to the Discovery Channel? Anyway, I would gladly watch Dual Survival again if Dave were to return. Thanks - Mike

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
And you probably think Lance Armstrong was not taking performance enhancing drugs too.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Well, he said he wasn't!! He problably just drank the wrong urine...

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I enjoyed the previous seasons with Dave Canterbury very much. I never missed an episode and watched the reruns constantly. I thought the rapport between Dave & Cody worked and I learned a lot, even for a tv show. I’m very disappointed that Dave is no longer with the show. I watched the 1st episode of the new season and do not care for Dave’s replacement. I have made the decision to not watch the show any longer. In fact, there is very little on the Discovery Channel that interests me. Amish Mafia, Moonshiners are trash (along with several others)– are you people kidding? What has happened to the Discovery Channel? Anyway, I would gladly watch Dual Survival again if Dave were to return. Thanks - Mike

Submitted by geosmdavic (not verified) on
Did anyone else notice that joe was a fish out of water playing with that snake.. This is another example of how Dave knew more th this guy.. If you remember the episode "bogged down" I think it was when then were in then La swaps Dave was picking up the cotton mouth snakes.. I live near there and I can tell you those are pretty bad little snakes and Dave had the balls to pick them up.. Also what we finally got to see the whole dead cow carving and I was curious if they ever used any of the stuff they collected.. And that would be a be negative.. It just goes to show you this has turned into a movie prop show.. Also has anyone else noticed that Joe is the only one doing the art of self reliance. It's like discovery is ramming him down our throats. It's funny last nights art of self reliance was about putting pebbles in your mouth to keep it moist.. He should have learn that trick before he drank his pee.. He is just a bad actor period.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
It's another example of how Joe didn't deal with Rattle Snakes in Afghanistan. He NEVER claimed to be and outdoor survival expert. Neither did discovery. You probably think Cody has all these facts about the terrain/lovation in his immediate head. That he doesn't look stuff up before he's on location. I think you all believe hes a walking encyclopedia of knowledge.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Did you also like how Cody or rather "Edith" stood around and laughed at Joe while he was handling the situation. Do you remember how Joe was the one that wen to get the ice for water in episode one. Can you imagine if Joe was standing around laughing and spouting off some garbage that sounds intelligent while Cody was bringing home the bacon? All you Cody lovers would have a field day thrashing Joe. Cody ate the snake though, didn't he? I will give credit to cody. He can make fire and build a shelter if necessary.

Submitted by Archer (not verified) on
No you are correct that Joe doesnt stand and laugh at Cody, namely because Cody generally doesnt do anything dumb enough to warrent being laughed at. Not counting the whole barefoot hippy thing. If you think back for a minute, you'll recall that Cody had no problem calling Dave out when he did something stupid. One of my favorite moments in the series to this day is still Cody's little assessment of actions/consiquences pertaining to taking honey from wild bee's. 'Dumb ass actions, lead to dumb ass consiquences. Its the cycle of nature.' Also keep in mind that Cody knew at minimum Dave was experenced and knew what he was doing when it came to snakes. Dave lied about his military background yes, but not the 'Woodsmen' part of his title card. When you see someone doing something dangrous, that they have no knowldge or skill at dealing with (not to mention busness) then you are completly in the right to laugh at them provided you have given them fair warning AND they have aknowldged you warned them ahead of time. Reason being? The before mentioned quote says it all.

Submitted by photomercenary (not verified) on
Yes and don't forget early in the episode Cody explains that when you check under rocks and debris for snakes and whatnot, to always lift the opposite side of the rock (the farthest edge from your body) so you have an extra split second to react should something jump out. A few minutes later we see Joe doing the exact opposite--peaking under the board and lifting it up on the near side (and this was AFTER he heard the sound of the snake's rattle, lol) to reveal the snake that he ended up killing. Joe's got heart and he'll get it done, but he's just so wreckless and does things that are high risk (and perhaps unnecessarily so) in a survival situation. Joe and Cody are on two different pages, there's survival and EXTREME survival, Cody paces himself (rest in the desert heat, walk when it's cooler) Joe is heavy on the gas, go, go, go--even if it isn't necessary to rush things. In a high risk situation Joe is a great guy to have around, but in a low risk situation Joe is a liability doing high risk things that he really doesn't have to. I'm still wondering what he was planning to do with the rotten cow hide and maggoty rancid horns, other than throw them in the back of the rescue vehicle (unused, of course) at the end of the episode. Good analogy about Dave and the bee hive, though. It was kinda the exact same scenario.

Submitted by Sarge47 (not verified) on
1st, I don't watch this show for Joe T., I watch it for Cody. I have a copy of his book and he was kind enough to answer some questions about it via e-mail for our survival forum that I moderate. 2nd, Major kudos to Joe for his service to our country assuming that he really did it. I believe that he did as Discovery wouldn't dare risk another embarrassing incident like they had with Dave C who., btw, runs the Pathfinder School in Ohio and has over 500 YouTube videos on survival. However, falsifying your military record is a federal offense, so he's pretty lucky nobody pressed charges. 3rd, Joe's piss in his mouth was totally absurd, disgusting, and uncalled for! They DON"T teach that in any of the military courses that he claims to have taken, I've thoroughly researched that fact, more than likely some producer wanted him to do that. In the New Mexico episode that aired last night,(1/16/2013) Joe talked about how the Apache Indians used to place small pebbles in their mouths and sucked on them to generate saliva, so if Joe already knew that he could have used that method to get himself going. NOTE: Cody didn't put piss in his mouth and made it through just fine, and he's never had Joe's training! I did learn something from Joe while watching the Africa episode, if retired solders don't take good care of themselves they will soon develop a paunch! In a couple of years, if Joe's not careful, Cody will look pretty slim alongside of him! As for Joe ordering Cody around, note how Cody uses logical questions to get Joe to come around to his way of thinking without a confrontation. Pretty smart I think. I also believe that, like the poachers and gear that they find, even the banter/arguing is scripted and staged. If Joe's not careful, before too long HE'LL be walking barefoot, letting his hair grow out long and braided, and acting like a bush hippy! ;O)

Submitted by Gen X (not verified) on
When I watched Dave and Cody, I felt inspired. I built a BOB. I made fire safety plans. I went camping on my own (with less stuff). I felt and was prepared. Dave was every man. He made me feel like me, a girl wearing mascara and singing Britney Spears songs, could do it and because of him - guess what? - I did. I can use tools, make fire, build a shelter. I can do it. By myself. On my own. It just floored me and I've never been so proud.. He knew what he was doing and because of him so do I. New guy? Not so much. Just another show-off trying to make himself (and by comparison Cody) look good. It's not teaching me anything. The only thing Season 3's done so far is make a Les Stroud girl now. Les, it seems, really is more. We miss you, Dave. Keep up the good work with Pathfinders and the YouTube channel. Les? Please don't go anywhere. You're all the sensible on tv we have now. :(

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
except Joe is currently not the everyday man. He's the genuine article. I'd bet the military recruiters have had a flux of recruits showing up at their door after watching an episode or 2 of the new Dual Survival. If you look at Joe's website he states how he was nothing of note, athletically, in high school. He then joined the military, the marine corps, and became this super commando. What an inspiration to kids and young adults. Joe depicts the power of US Spec Ops training, mentality, the American will to suceed and Survive against the odds. Joe has inspired those with doubt about serving our country to take the challenge and preserve our freedom of speech and all our liberties many take for granted. Personally, I see how Dave appeals to a certain segment of the population given the current state of affairs. The everybody gets a medal, feel good, nicey nice generation and their parents. Lastly, If feel you are so out of shape and unfit, why would you need to learn these extreme survival skills? You really wouldn't put yourself in a situation where you needed to guard yourself from lions or african poachers. let alone, rapell down a rock face. I say, if you really need survival skills, Take a class, read firefox, search youtube etc. and then watch how a real professsional like Joe teti puts textbook material into action.

Submitted by Archer (not verified) on
An influx in new recruits? Perhaps, but that would really depend on each individual. Personally, I would want nothing to do with a person that acts the way Joe does. Is he the real deal? Yes. Is he a hero? Perhaps. Would I want to get to know him or meet him in person? No The reason for this being his personality. He might not act in real life the way he does on the show, after all people react differently on camera than is typical. But from what I've seen of him, no, he doesnt seem like the sort I would wish to know. This has nothing to do with his military history however, its just him, his personality that makes me dislike him. I know quite a few people with military background, I have close friends that are surviving World War II veterans, my grand fathers on both sides of the family served and there are a number of my classmates that have since signed up and served for nearly a decade. But not one of them acts the way Joe does. I am very thankful for the servace and sacrafices my friends and family have made over the years, but I am even more thankful that knowing them gives me ample proof that not everyone that serves in the military acts the way Joe does. Of course he's not the only 'star' out there I wouldnt care to speak with if I saw them in passing on the street. Tom Cruse and Robin Williams fall under the same catagory, for the exact same reason, I cant stand their personality.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
except Joe is currently not the everyday man. He's the genuine article. I'd bet the military recruiters have had a flux of recruits showing up at their door after watching an episode or 2 of the new Dual Survival. If you look at Joe's website he states how he was nothing of note, athletically, in high school. He then joined the military, the marine corps, and became this super commando. What an inspiration to kids and young adults. Joe depicts the power of US Spec Ops training, mentality, the American will to suceed and Survive against the odds. Joe has inspired those with doubt about serving our country to take the challenge and preserve our freedom of speech and all our liberties many take for granted. Personally, I see how Dave appeals to a certain segment of the population given the current state of affairs. The everybody gets a medal, feel good, nicey nice generation and their parents. Lastly, If feel you are so out of shape and unfit, why would you need to learn these extreme survival skills? You really wouldn't put yourself in a situation where you needed to guard yourself from lions or african poachers. let alone, rapell down a rock face. I say, if you really need survival skills, Take a class, read firefox, search youtube etc. and then watch how a real professsional like Joe teti puts textbook material into action.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
except Joe is currently not the everyday man. He's the genuine article. I'd bet the military recruiters have had a flux of recruits showing up at their door after watching an episode or 2 of the new Dual Survival. If you look at Joe's website he states how he was nothing of note, athletically, in high school. He then joined the military, the marine corps, and became this super commando. What an inspiration to kids and young adults. Joe depicts the power of US Spec Ops training, mentality, the American will to suceed and Survive against the odds. Joe has inspired those with doubt about serving our country to take the challenge and preserve our freedom of speech and all our liberties many take for granted. Personally, I see how Dave appeals to a certain segment of the population given the current state of affairs. The everybody gets a medal, feel good, nicey nice generation and their parents. Lastly, If feel you are so out of shape and unfit, why would you need to learn these extreme survival skills? You really wouldn't put yourself in a situation where you needed to guard yourself from lions or african poachers. let alone, rapell down a rock face. I say, if you really need survival skills, Take a class, read firefox, search youtube etc. and then watch how a real professsional like Joe teti puts textbook material into action.

Submitted by Gen X (not verified) on
Anonymous said: Personally, I see how Dave appeals to a certain segment of the population given the current state of affairs. The everybody gets a medal, feel good, nicey nice generation and their parents. Lastly, If feel you are so out of shape and unfit, why would you need to learn these extreme survival skills? You really wouldn't put yourself in a situation where you needed to guard yourself from lions or african poachers. let alone, rapell down a rock face. I say, if you really need survival skills, Take a class, read firefox, search youtube etc. and then watch how a real professsional like Joe teti puts textbook material into action." Hi, there "anonymous" poster, I see you've responded to my comment. Did you notice that, unlike you, I didn't need to make assumptions or be insulting to anyone to get my point across? And, unlike you, I signed my name. How 'bout that? ;)

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Actually, I am happy you did some things you wouldnt have otherwise. Good for you. I retract anything you as an indivdual found insulting. I really think I put a bunch of the rah rah dave, Joe is bad into your post.

Submitted by Gen X (not verified) on
The things I referenced were my OWN experiences, which I feel you devalued with your comments about your perception of the gimme generation by assuming I was like that. Why? Because your comments were devaluing and dismissive to me. That's why. Worst still, I'm used to it. Where I come from, girls aren't interested in self-reliance or encouraged to learn or practice these things. I'm not made of money, I can't drive or fly out and take courses. I have ZERO support around me. What I liked about Dave is that he made me believe I COULD do them. Because I believed him, I DID IT. Anybody who doesn't see value in that has the same pair of pants to get happy in, and that includes you. Now I don't know you and I don;t know how to define things where you come from or how your mind works, but in my reality THAT IS POWER. It's empowering. So your rant about this only being for those who quality as elite or physically fit blows chunks to me. I stated my perception that the new guy's showing off. I admitted I'm learning nothing from him. You didn't like my statements. So be it, But any time you have the opportunity to encourage others to take an active interest in their lives you should do exactly that. No "rah rah Dave" or "Joe is bad" about it. The world's bigger that that. Act accordingly. Thank you for the apology. Accepted. Will I watch the season out? Probably. I'm a student, not a critic. Will I keep watching Dave? Bet your life on it because I do trust him with mine. End of.

Submitted by Gen X (not verified) on
PS: To EVERYONE reading this - You can do it. Don't listen to this guy posting anonymously above who isn't even brave enough to sign his name or anyone like him. If you're out of shape or don't know what you're doing, you DO need this. In fact, you probably need it more than other people. Please listen to me. Emergencies happen. Accidents happen. Disasters happen. YOU CAN DO IT. Don't listen to the people who say you can't learn on your own or use videos, don't listen to people who say you should take classes if you cannot afford them or there's nothing in your area, and don't listen to people who make fun of you for being out of shape or not in the best physical condition. YOU CAN DO THIS. I have a knee injury. I'm five foot four, I weigh a buck thirty soaking wringing wet in my boots with gear on. I went with minimal supplies. I stayed four days. I did it on my own with radio contact in case I needed help. I had a blast. I can make a fire four different ways. I caught and ate my own fish. I purified water and made my own shelter. It's work but it's honest work that gives you confidence in life to allow you to keep learning. YOU CAN DO IT. Please believe me, you can do it. Learn a few necessary skills now and you won't be afraid in a bad situation. You'll be prepared instead. To everyone doing it on your own? Play it smart and safe when you're practicing, and try to practice with a buddy. Watching shows will help, I recommend more personalized "how to" videos, and please keep trying. DO NOT EVER GIVE UP. And remember, I'm right there with you. - XX Gen :)

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Gen X? Because you sign your post with a non-descript screen name does not reveal anything more about you than posting anonymously....well perhaps it puts you in the age group of 35-45. Anyhow, posting anonymously is within the guidelines, no requirements are made to provide a screen name. Because most cannot physically perform the acts that Joe can does not devalue the show because he is in shape. frankly, I think Dave could have physically handled most of the acts Joe has. Joe just does it seemingly effortlessly with the vigor of a Warrior and a can do, never fail attitude which is a valuable learning point. Like you said, learn a FEW necessary skills and your fear factor against adversity dwindles. You plainly acknowlege the value of more personalized how to videos. You can look these up on youtube or read about survival skills at the public library. Depending on a TV show meant for entertainment is not the answer for survival in a desperate situation. As far as your personal accomplishments, like I said earlier, Good for you. Keep on Keepin' on!

Submitted by Gen X (not verified) on
You seem to be pullin' quite the 180 here, from making fun of out of shape people and saying they don't need to watch the show to this? Wow, I stand by my words. They speak well for how I feel about your statements and this topic in general. I will always choose to encourage people just like me rather than just merely tear them down by making fun of them and telling them what they do and don't need. Now you can have the last word. You seem to need that. Take it.

Submitted by Baby Boomer (not verified) on
You were doing such a great job, giving a testimonial about how you got the motivation and gumption to go out and DO IT, how the acts of self reliance expanded you as a person, then, after chastising a fellow commentor for insults, turned around and did the same thing! (Althought I don;t really think that was his intention) Failure to post ID is no sign of bravery - it take 5 mintues to create a new one - we all know this. You were right the first time: you don't build your opinion by insult the person holding a differing opinion. Perhaps you got caught up in the moment as you sound very impassioned about discovering how much power actally lies inside us all if we only nurture it, nothing ventured, nothing gained nor learned. Good luck in your endeavors and keep up both the expansion of your skills as well as spreading the message of self realiance. More people - of all generations - need to hear that message.Good Luck in your endavors!

Submitted by Archer (not verified) on
If you havent, you might want to actually tell Dave that. His youtube channel allows comments after all and comments like that are the kind teachers and instructors are always proud and happy to hear.

Submitted by Gen X (not verified) on
Although I did not comment on these specific experiences, I have made comments on his channel before. I also have Pathfinders friended on Facebook. :)

Submitted by Gen X (not verified) on
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on 2013-01-23. Touche` - good turn of phrase. Well done! Thanks lol I really like this guy., And he sings! :)

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I think Les is the guy I would like to have around if things got hairy, as we used to say. He doesn't have a mitliary background, but I don't think that affects his credibility at all. Dispite what many think it is not going to be one long running firefight. Famine, disease and violence will thin folks out pretty quickly - then the long grind of feeding oneself and family sets in. Long periods of drudgery interuppted by brief periods of fear for your life will be the norm. Les is a survival Renaissance man - most pragmatic was when he made a fishing spear out of his mouth organ. He does it all by himself AND films it, which practically doubles the work. If you haven't, check out his back ground, pretty interestin fellow all 'round.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I agree - I enjoy Les' program over all the others around now. I real Renaissance survivalist. Although there might, on occasion, be a little problem with harmonic music if one were edeavoring to maintain a low profile. I particularly like the way he attempts to experience the local history and people everywhere he goes.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Not a fan of the new guy. So he lied on his resume. Yeah uncalled for but who was responsible for the background check. You think someone could have figured that out before the entire first season. Seriously considering not watching any more. Not the same without Dave. New guy is just a jerk.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Not a fan of the new guy. So he lied on his resume. Yeah uncalled for but who was responsible for the background check. You think someone could have figured that out before the entire first season. Seriously considering not watching any more. Not the same without Dave. New guy is just a jerk.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Not a fan of the new guy. So he lied on his resume. Yeah uncalled for but who was responsible for the background check. You think someone could have figured that out before the entire first season. Seriously considering not watching any more. Not the same without Dave. New guy is just a jerk.

Submitted by Carl smith (not verified) on
Joe has to go! Get Dave back!!!