Is Vince really gone from the Discovery Channel's Sons of Guns?

Vince Buckles left Red Jacket Firearms and the Discovery Channel in the season finale of Sons of Guns last week--or did he?

Where in the world is Vince Buckles?

Ever since last week’s season finale of the popular Discovery Channel reality show Sons of Guns, fans have been wondering about Vince, the once-head gunsmith of Red Jacket Firearms. There has been much speculation about his future; whether or not he sabotaged the Las Vegas gun build; whether or not he was jealous of Kris; and much discussion about if he had the right temperament to be a leader in the shop in the first place, given the way in which he left his position. Fans have been divided on a number of issues. On Huliq, several comments have demonstrated this. For example:

  • LC7: Why put a rookie in charge when you have an expert? Especially on such an important project. Chris can claim the fame, but we all know it was Vince that built that gun. We are sure Vince could get a job anywhere, and wish him best of everything. How thoughtless of Will to treat Vince like the rookie, ever since Chris and Steph got hot for each other. I would have left as well. No notice, well you don't get a notice when you get fired. Good Luck Vince and Family.
  • Anonymous: How is someone going to get a chance to do anything if you keep putting the more experienced ahead of the rest. Kris should've had a chance before this yes but at least he saved the project where as Vince has been acting like a child for a while crying about who leads what. ... [Kris] was to lead the project and Vince was supposed to help if it came to that. Watch the show closer and without blinders ... leading the project means each member was to do a part of the project.
  • Anonymous: Kris did not ask for help during build. Only asked at end when he was tired of messing with it. Not the way you work if your give a hoot about what your doing. Did you notice that Kris dropped and knocked stuff needed for the build off his bench and never bothered to pick it up?
  • Anonymous: The gun had damage to it and dirt on it that could only have happened if Vince whipped it on the ground. It couldn’t have happened to it while it was in the case (which was broken). You all posting that he was treated unfairly obviously haven't worked much, and seen what an unfair workplace is. This is how Americans are today - they think unless their boss babies them and is nice to them they just stomp their feet and throw a tantrum. If Vince is such a family man he'd do what he's told instead of crying like a baby so he can support his family. Really, how can you all justify him sabotaging the AR, and even damaging it? The guy has some serious mental instability.
  • Eddie: No sabotage was made by Vince or the Red Jacket team would NEVER have found the hydraulic buffer. If so, Vince would have mistakenly taken the buffer with him when he went to St Jude's Hospital in Memphis. Since the Red Jacket employees DID find the custom made buffer, the Vegas demo was saved and no bad blood exists between Vince and Will. I believe, like others, Vince wants to star in his own Gunsmith show with partner, Jake Guidry, and created this opportunity for the shows producer to create a spin-off series; featuring Vince. Unfortunately, Vince does not have the TV personality, unlike Will, to be successful and never presented himself during his tenure at Red Jacket as a go-getter or inventor; merely someone who knows the gunsmith trade.

Background: 'Sons of Guns': Did Vince sabotage the Vegas build? (VIDEO)

The only thing that is clear is that Vince is gone from the Discovery Channel.

Or, is he?

An article on the Discovery Channel website insinuates that fans may be seeing more of Vince in the near future, when the new season of Sons of Guns begins on Feb. 29.

“But is he gone for good?” writer Kirk Denkler asks. “Hold off on any forecasts because there’s probably more to this story coming in the new season premiering February 29. Just around the corner.”

Fans know by now that Vince has started a new company, Mesa Kinetic Research, with a partner. At one time, the site, though skimpy, was live and working. Now, however, visitors to the site will find the following message:

"Thank you for visiting MesaKineticResearch.com. We are in the process of updating our website and online store to bring your more content. Please be patient, the website should be up and running shortly. -Mesa Kinetic Team"

But, could it be possible that there are, as Denkler insinuates, brighter days to come for Vince at Red Jacket Firearms? Or, could the Discovery Channel be developing a rival show for Vince and Mesa Kinetic Research, or even a Red Jacket Firearms v. Mesa Kinetic Research show, a la American Chopper: Junior v. Senior? Or, could it be that the tease by Denkler is just that: an empty tease?

Stay tuned.

UPDATE: Joe Perry visits Red Jacket Firearms.

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Comments

Submitted by Rammstein (not verified) on
Vince should leave. he did the work and all the boss did is bitch. The guy that runs this place needs to devolpe some people management skills and pay attention to what is going on in that "huge" shop.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Listen,people seem to think that red jacket revolves around Vince. Well it doesn't! With out the show Vince is just a gunsmith that lives in Baton Rouge. There is plenty of gunsmiths out there,that are better then him and never get the credit because they work for a small gun shop without a show. The show made him and he should be happy that he has or had a job there. Sure he will find another job,but acting the way he does,he wont last long anywhere. He thinks he's the boss when actually he is a employee who needs to listen,and do what he is told.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I guess being the employee that actually holds the Fed Firearm License for the employer was not considered.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
who cares!!!!!!!!! you dont know much do you will and steph lost ther permits to sell auto guns and run the gun shop vince stepped up and used his permits to keep the show on the air because with no shop thers no show, atf inventoryed the shop and a bunch of guns were gone (sold ) with no paper work thats a no no with full auto guns

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
i see alot of fingers pointed at vince and kris. what about the guy who was told by vince to send the gun off?? was I the only one that seen the finale , when will and vince were talking and the dude in the background had a shocked look on his face? kinda like uh-oh!!!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Dudes right vince did delegate to flem to have the AR shipped. When Will called Vince and bitched him out Vince shut his mouth and took the fall without throwing flem under the bus. I do thing vince could have handled the situation better though

Submitted by Brian L. (not verified) on
You're right--Vince DID take the heat for Flem on that one, regardless of whether it was truly Flem's fault of not. Flem was the last one responsible for the gun before its shipping. But Vince got all the flak immediately and exclusively from Will. That's something a lot of people won't point out. And, sure, Vince could've handled his whole situation better, but don't most of you tell me that you'd handled yourselves better--I know that's just not the general public. The most of you just aren't that disciplined. I think if the crew had an honest bone in their body in reviewing the recording, they'll see that it was really Vince that saved their butts all along with that military gun deal in Las Vegas, and though he could've reacted better, they really pushed him to what he did. He basically rebuilt the gun, he stayed all night working on it, even apparently missed his wife's sonogram just to do it, and got no thank you's for it all--only blame. And then he had someone else ship it because he was dog-tired, and he presumed that'd be something simply and properly taken cared of, as he was assured would be. And then instead of a thank you on basically saving the company's butts, he gets an earful from Will about the shipping job being his fault? I'd been pissed off, too! How the gun get in that condition? Could've been some fault on the guy shipping it. Could've even been from when Kris was throwing the gun around in frustration (nobody seems to really consider that much), which seems like the most likely candidate to me. Vince's job was to simply get the gun working--the refurbishing of the gun wasn't his task. Though, if Vince was given this job in the first place, as he was more better suited to take over this most important job probably in the company's history, maybe he would've oversaw the complete perfection of the gun. I know that a rookie's got to learn sometimes, but you don't put your completely inexperienced rookie to do your most important job for your most significant client in the company's history. You just don't. To pass up an experienced AK expert, who can put that kind of gun together in his sleep, as lead of a project this significant is just foolish, if you ask me. Give Kris the next project--this project needed Vince to do it from, start to finish. If Vince had done it from the start, they wouldn't have had to cut things so close, and the gun would've have plenty of time to get to Vegas safely. Will really fumbled on this one, being all sentimental instead of professional. It'd make absolutely no sense to purposely do all that damage to probably the most important gun the company's ever made up to that point, and then show up for work tomorrow. And we all saw Vince test out the gun on camera--it was working just fine! Why would he fix it just to break it? And to be honest, his boss Will could've been more investigative about the matter instead of immediately pinning the problems with the shipped gun on Vince. And then they did that on top of other stuff that just slowly over time push him to the edge--like when Will blew him off from being introduced to Ted Nugent after introducing everybody else in the shop to Ted (that's was so wrong of Will). I think Vince handled the situation wrong at times, but overall, I really can't blame him for leaving. I wish for the best to Vince and his family. And though, I'll still watch the show, I've got a lowered sense of respect and some disappointment for the team now. Vince handled himself wrong at times here, but they weren't innocent at all in this matter.

Submitted by Brian L. (not verified) on
I should say, if any of this was real, that is.... I'm aware this is still a television show, and clever producers do exist. If that whole dramatic situation was totally unscripted and in no way "assisted," I wish Vince good luck.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Yes Vince test fired the AK but just on single fire NOT on full rock and roll. How do you call that a test. If Vince had fired the AK on all the range he would have know that it was not working.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Umm what show did you watch? AK??? Hmm I thought it was an AR platform? I would still take my LWRC M6A3 over that gun anyday, they act like they invented piston drives for AR's

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
everybody is missing the fact that chris dropped the buffer for the vegas build under his bench. chris is the screw up not vince.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Sons of guns is a pretty good and enjoyable show however it is, yet another, "adjusted" reality show. There are so many setups that its getting to be more fun watching for the continuity errors than watching the content of the show. One of the more obvious setups is when they call in Ira when attempting to repair the 32mm mortar. They grind the hole in the tube which leaves all the edges glistening with grinding marks yet when they call in Ira, supposedly after the grinding has taken place, he is seen examining a tube with no grinding marks around the hole. Obviously he examined the tube and condemned it BEFORE it was ground and from there on the whole segment was a setup. The whole “wrong buffer in the AR15” episode was such an obvious setup. In the episode before you see the buffer fall to the floor when Kris angrily disassembles the gun (how a buffer which is shown encased in a spring not 2 seconds earlier falls to the floor is another mystery). When Vince starts to build the rifle he picks up a buffer from the bench behind him and very conveniently stands it on a block of wood on his bench, camera zooms in to show the buffer in minute detail - why?, is the camera man a modified AR15 expert and knows its the wrong buffer or is this just another example of the modified reality. Show the wrong buffer so they can solve the wrong buffer issue in the next episode? From then on the whole "it doesn't shoot in auto" segment is an obvious setup, either that or the AR expert camera man wanted the build to fail which raises a whole different set of issues. If they keep making such obvious mistakes and adjusting reality to create the all important "illusion of peril / pressure" (in all shows like this every job has a stupid timescale on it - yeah right, business doesn't work like that) which every reality program needs these days then I for one will be finding something else to watch. Apart from that its a good show; just don't believe everything you see.

Submitted by John Lofland (not verified) on
The premise of the last 2 shows was way off. No new AR/AK47 was created. Adding a piston kit post production has been going on for a while now. Hydraulic buffers are not new. I have been running one for 3 years and have never heard of one being necessary for F/A function. Monolithic uppers have been here for some time also. Will is to blame. broke his own rules on fraternization and put an incompetent on the lead for an apparently important contract. The blame stays where it originated. Will, you own this FUBAR planned or not.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
With regard to their "new" AR, you're spot on. Nothing new about that build. Further, they went to gun builder's business in Vegas... NEVADA. I suspect that they would have been able to pick up a hydraulic buffer either in that shop or just down the street to use for the demo. Its a television show and drama keeps people tuning in. With regard to Vince, I understand not only was the shop using his FFL, but Vince was also part owner of Red Jacket Firearms LLC, a limited liability corporation. I doubt he just "disappeared". There are legal issues with that as well.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I agree, the whole thing was a "TV set-up" from the start: ARs have been made with pistons and hydrolic buffers for quite a while, not a "new Idea" at all. The producers of the show step in while Vince is being "difficult," but they don't step in to show where the buffer is when it's shown falling off the table. Why can't they get a buffer in Vegas? Whoops, it needs to be there in an hour or so, so how did it just show up right on time? Over night shipping isn't that fast. Maybe they got it in Vegas? They don't test fire the gun to see if it works before the general shows up? What idiot wouldn't test fire it first? A retired general that doesn't want to be seen on camera? What does he do that he can't be seen? Lobbying for weapons purchasing isn't a "secret" job. "I can't tewll you what was said, but, I'm going to DC" Yeah, right Will. Joe comes in from his teaching job to open the shop and he just happens to have his Red Jacket tee shirt on under his coat? A shipping guy who isn't ever shown, who ships guns out al the time doesn't wrap a gun right? And it just so happens to break in shipping? And the Discovery Channel web site hasn't taken Vince's picture off the site, yet, or at all, or ever? It's all a set-up. I used to watch the show thinking it was a reality gun show about crazy ass weapons builds. But, this season they really showed their true colors. It's a scripted TV show. I never really cared before, I watched the show because it was fun, but now, I'm really disapointed that they did this.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
In 2009, the ATF does a routine check of the shop, and lo and behold their books say that they have some guns that they don’t actually have. That’s generally a no-no. Now, from Arfcom and other sources we find that Red Jacket Firearms LLC, the actual legal entity featured in the show was founded in 2010 by some of the gunsmiths featured as “employees” on Sons of Guns. Those employees were the legal business owners and the licensed persons responsible for maintaining the shop’s FFL and keeping the shop in compliance with federal regulations. Will, the “star” of Sons of Guns is/was an employee of Red Jacket Firearms LLC as is his daughter. Will losing his FFL actually happened before the show premiered; the business entity that was presented to the viewing public by Discover as Will Hayden’s business actually was the LLC that was jointly owned by several of his “employees.” The reason this is all coming to light right

Submitted by Raging Judge (not verified) on
This just proves that Will is willing to be a fraud. Everyone knows that the truth is the only thing acceptable when it comes to any paperwork dealing with firearms. There very few original ideas coming out of that shop anyway. Any innovations they have they give you very little facts. An example of this is when they were making the AK sniper rifle. What caliber did they use, 7.62x39, which is really good at close ranges ,but not at not at any great distance. I hope the celebrities stay away so they won't tarnish their reputations dealing with Will Hayden. I only watch it because it is always a trainwreck about to happen.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I read your comment concerning the choice of ammo for the AK sniper rifle and I had to laugh. You stated the 7.62x39 round is an effective short range round but not good for distance. Are you aware that from 1959 to 1968 the U S Marine Corps was equipped with the M14 (7.62x39) rifle? All Marines are required to qualify annually with their T/O/E weapon. Marine rifle ranges are configured with firing lines at 200, 300, and 500 yards, every Marine routinely fires from the 500 yrd line. I'm talking about all Marines, not a bunch of fancy sniper or team shooters, just Marines. I feel safe saying if a Marine with no special marksmanship training can get hits at 500 yrds with a 7.62 round what can a specially trained marksman do with it?

Submitted by gun nut (not verified) on
Vince has been acting like a child for a long time. I would have fired him a long time ago. I know he is a good gunsmith but his behavior doesn't justify his position. A good example would be his inability to take a joke. He can dish it out but cannot take it. Another thing is his so called "sense of humor". When Stephanie gave Chris the Marachino Cherries Vince and the other gunsmith took a bite out of each one. You can call that what you want but I call it destruction of personal property. It was no different than if he had broken out the window of Chris's car. In fact it was worse because it was a gift he destroyed. One can buy a million boxes of candy but one given by a lover is priceless and cannot be replaced. Vince may be a good gunsmith but is sadly lacking in character, especially for someone who calls himself a Christian.

Submitted by Da Beast (not verified) on
I'm not saying that Vince is totally innocent in any of this, however, how would you feel if you basically helped to start a company and nurture it along and then all of a sudden some clown comes in, starts bangin the boss' daughter and is basically given the keys to the castle?

Submitted by Michael Douglas (not verified) on
From what ive heard on multiple sights is that Vince was the one who held the FFL for Red Jacket Firearms. They cant build or sell a gun without him. Thats why Will want Kris to marry his daughter i suspect. So that Kris can get an FFL and the buisness is family controled once again. Will and his daughter are actually listed as employees of Red Jacket Firearms from what i understand.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I think that Vince was acting like a child who wasn't getting his way. He has been making snide comments about Will's choices over the last few weeks. It's Will's company and he makes the decisions. As good as a gun smith as Vince may be if he did sabatoge the gun build that Will appointed Chris to lead then I dont think that anyone with half a brain would consider hiring that guy to work for them. He cant be trusted.

Submitted by I'm Spartacus (not verified) on
I'm relatively new to the show and I understand this is reality TV and a certain amount of drama probably is artificially generated to keep public interest in the show. Putting myself in a position as a business owner with employees for the sake of argument seeing the behavior of Vince leading up to the incident of walking off the job I'd have to say it looks pretty childish and the way I see it Chris got the assignment for whatever reason but it has been a team effort from what I saw in the past and Chris worked hard on the rifle until he got stuck and needed help and we all saw what happened when he asked for it and refusal to do your job is grounds for termination. Vince fixed the gun he testfired it on semi auto only, don't you think a conscientious gunsmith would also test the autofire also to see if it was working? But he didn't and he didn't ship it personally knowing the importance of the job and it arrived damaged. But here's the kicker for me, if I was an employer looking to hire a gunsmith work history is important when I look at the application or for heaven sakes walking off the job on national TV what does that say about his loyalty, dependability and work ethic? If you get mad and want to quit fine but do it the honorable way, what employer would trust him now knowing he can act like this, I wouldn't! Just my opinion but a man with a family to support doesn't walk off the job especially in this economy.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
In the show before the final Vince got chewed out for shipping his personal gun by Will. He was told we have a shipping department for that. Then when he uses the shipping dept he gets chewed out. Can't have it both ways.

Submitted by Benji (not verified) on
There is a little error: Vince was using Company Time to ship out HIS own personal weapon! Somebody handling shipping is in general a lower payed and less important job, then a gun builder. The fact that he got "chewed" out about not shipping the demonstration gun personally, is because this was a IMPORTANT project. And it was handed over incorrectly. You can tell a lack of work pride was going on. Vince was angry about "cleaning" up the mess, but, technically if he helped out before when Chris asked for help, they will not have been in this problem. Valuable time was wasted when Vince was moping like a little child. Also, while Chris may not have been the perfect person for the job, there really is only one true way to see a employee step up: Give them a hard job to do. Yes, there is a risk, but if you keep giving somebody easy jobs, you will never let somebody gain experience. One thing that people look over, is when they compare Chris & Vince there work, is the fact that both did a lot of work on the weapon. Chris also stayed all night, trying to fix the problem with the weapon. It took Vince, the so called "expert" gun builder, with experience in this type of builds, also all night to figure out the problem. For somebody that is supposed to be more experienced then Chris, you do expect him to figure out much faster where the problem is. And not testing the weapon on auto fire. Please ... Work attitude again. He was clearly slipping in his performance, and it was showing. The problem with Vince is, he is like a alpha dog. He was one of the longest working employees there, and he did not like the fact that a "rookie" like Chris, was slowly moving into this territory. If one looks back to the older episodes, you can also see this distrust going on. And the joke problem is a little bit overboard. Vince likes to dish out jokes, but when its done to him, he acts like a little boy. The whole hair on the paint job, seeing it, going out to "pray" and cry?? He did not even check that "supposed" damage on the gun, he just left instantly for a bit of praying and crying. Please ... If he had so much pride in his work, he will have instantly felt the "damage", and noticed it was just a hair ( also the positioning of the damage was clearly wrong ). He was more worried about personal problem, then anything else. And it showed a lot. He acted more like he wanted to be the boss ( see alpha dog ). And whatever was going on in his personal life, was clearly having a effect. I think he was looking to chance carriers into his own business for a long time already. If you see how fast he was able to open up his own business. When he left, he cleaned out his work bench, did not open the store, or even told anybody that he left. All it took, was a 20 seconds phone call, saying: "I QUIT". Even a voice mail message. Not even a note on the door, saying to his former working partners: "Sorry, i quit, the key is at ... ". For somebody working there, you expect him to at minimum have some respect for the other people working there. For me, Chris is response of "Good riddens" or whatever, to be honest, if a colleague screwed people over like Vince did, i will say the same thing. You do not act like this, even when you quit. He knew he was the only person able to open up the store, at that day, yet ... letting people hang out to dry. Much worse then that entire Buffer debacle.

Submitted by jobby (not verified) on
If the job of the modified gun was so important WHY give the class clown a lead role. Make him earn his dues by taking direction instead of giving it . If you made me the guy that had to do my own work , plus clean up after the class clown, i'd quit without notice also. You get what you give, you could see Vince was growing increasingly unhappy, Will " the man " should have asked him months before he left what his specific problem was.

Submitted by jobby (not verified) on
Ya know, If I was pulled to fix Chris's screw ups I'd be ticked also. They show Chris as the clown and having a great time and moving in on the bosses daughter, but when his clown gig gets in the way , its hey Vince you mop this up now and i'll hear no complaints.

Submitted by Gun Nut (not verified) on
The whole idea that Vince holds the FFL is silly. It the ATF had pulled Will's Class three they also would have pulled his right to own any machine guns. Since he buys them for himself all time it puts the lie to that rumor. By the way I got to meet them at the SHOT Show in Vegas. Real good down to earth people. What surprised me was Will. I always thought of him as a large man. That comes from his personality. He is actually shorter than I and I am only 5'7".

Submitted by Tim (not verified) on
Will what happened to Truth, Honor and Integrety all Marines live by those traits I know from watching the show you don't.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I know a lot of Marines.....Truth Honor Integrity? Please give me a break. I can name 15 that have walked out on their kids, wife family.......no PTSS or PTSD, they never served in combat. The Marine Corp teaches that person that they are the sole reason for their existence and the whole world revolves around their pathetic selves. I know one true Marine who was shot a in combat, been married 40 something years, thinks his wife is the best thing that ever happened to him and refuses to take any Disabled Veteran status. He thinks that "most" modern Marines are a bunch of self serving twits.....he is correct!

Submitted by paul (not verified) on
Will is nothing but a self serving creep. Quite obvious that Kris (Mr Diaper Pants) is getting ahead because of Steph. The whole show has become a soap opera and Will may be a Marine but not in my squard!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Moron. Vince doesn't want to be babied just respected as much as the brown moser Kris I don't think he could be more of a kiss ass... He is a moron I don't blame Vince.... Too bad will likes the feeling of kris's head up his ass than what's best for his company

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
He won't be around long. if he would get that redneck spike out of his tongue he could say "yes sir".

Submitted by Tim (not verified) on
You don't put someone in charge just because is inbetween the bosse's daughters legs. You put some one incharge who is qualified to do the work Vince is the school trained and certified Gunsmith .Kris is OJT ON THE JOB TRAINING and to my knowlege Joe and Vinc, and flem haspulled his butt out of the fire more then once cause he was over his head. He did not know what he was doing . With firearms you make sure you know what you are doing or someone gets hurt or even worse kill because of his stupidity!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Chris is a perfect case for sterilization before he can have a kid with Stephanie. It is called editing people. They can make drama out of anything and make what happens in the shop look like one thing when it is another. It is scripted reality tv. They set up the drama and the situations. Just watch the finale. Thye are on a timeline because the general is on his way and he has to go to the range that afternoon then they send out the part next day air and they have an entire day to take care of the jo and sell the daughters gun to another shop in vegas and go shooting at a range and do a stupid proposal ion the desert with a bracelet. Really. Now thay are going to have jesse James show up. Needs to promote his comeback on the discovery channel. All of it is setup.Chris dating the bosses daughter so he can get a better position is an old old tactic in business, especially when the person has no real skill. Done with these shows.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Chris is a perfect case for sterilization before he can have a kid with Stephanie. It is called editing people. They can make drama out of anything and make what happens in the shop look like one thing when it is another. It is scripted reality tv. They set up the drama and the situations. Just watch the finale. Thye are on a timeline because the general is on his way and he has to go to the range that afternoon then they send out the part next day air and they have an entire day to take care of the jo and sell the daughters gun to another shop in vegas and go shooting at a range and do a stupid proposal ion the desert with a bracelet. Really. Now thay are going to have jesse James show up. Needs to promote his comeback on the discovery channel. All of it is setup.Chris dating the bosses daughter so he can get a better position is an old old tactic in business, especially when the person has no real skill. Done with these shows.

Submitted by pfneed (not verified) on
Its all T.V. and we shall all know which way is up when the new season starts. Vince is a great part of the show and company that will has fathered. they both are strong willed and smart. they should stay together and work together to insure the company grows. The "romance" between steph and chris is high school b.s. and not too interesting. Have steph bring some of her sexy friends around once in a while cuz steph seems like a nice lady but is full of herself. does she have any friend ?

Submitted by pfneed (not verified) on
Its all T.V. and we shall all know which way is up when the new season starts. Vince is a great part of the show and company that will has fathered. they both are strong willed and smart. they should stay together and work together to insure the company grows. The "romance" between steph and chris is high school b.s. and not too interesting. Have steph bring some of her sexy friends around once in a while cuz steph seems like a nice lady but is full of herself. does she have any friend ?

Submitted by Son of fun (not verified) on
The real question is this (and other situations) staged? Didn't you find it curious that the store was closed and nobody in Las Vegas knew about it, yet there was a camera man at the store to film it? I would say that virtually all of these little personal tete-a-tete's (including the "love" affair) are staged for entirely dramatic purposes.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
The whole reason Chris was put in charge of the desert ar-15 was because Stephanie wanted his nuz sack. She is the real reason for this situation and the fact Chris couldn't screw in a light bulb.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
In Australia we are up to where they hired that poor office girl any way if will spoke to his workers like that he would be knock the f::cked out and is it only me or does he kind of remind you of hommer Simpson with an attitude.and I glad we have the strict gun laws that we have here.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Chris is the shows clown he still should be sweeping the floor.Its easy to look tough with a gun when no one is shooting back .If this show isn't staged I would have told Will to kiss my #?&$ a long time ago.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Will choosing him to head up a major gun project was just plain idiotic. I thought Will was smarter than that. Listening to Stephanie's libido is not the way to run a business. Will is not good enough to do that yet, and he mentioned how important it is. Why he listened to stephanie is stupid. Look at Emily who she hired briefly to be her assistant. We all know how that worked out. Am also disappointed with Stephanie too, listing to your sex drive to decide the most important build in the company. How stupid. I lost a lot of respect for you guys. Vince is a great gunsmith and deserved better treatment from you all! You will miss him.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Anybody notice they didn't mention a peep that their Desert AR had any prospective contracts? Nope. Not like they were the first company that thought of putting a piston system in an AR. As for the Kris/Vince feud...Kris was an untrained apprentice turned helper. Vince went to a year long weapon smithing school. I know which one I would rather have working on my firearms (yes, Vince)

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Kris is a buffoon!!! He is a liability. He is way over his head and has no clue on gunsmithing. He gave the other guys to diagnose and fix the Psh Russian Submachine gun. Great decision Will!!! I dont want him touching my weapons either.

Submitted by AckAck (not verified) on
The guy was not a team player, (or maybe his secret girlfriend got stolen from not quite underneath him) - good riddance to the nay say'er.

Submitted by AckAck (not verified) on
The guy was not a team player, (or maybe his secret girlfriend got stolen from not quite underneath him) - good riddance to the nay say'er.

Submitted by AckAck (not verified) on
The guy was not a team player, (or maybe his secret girlfriend got stolen from not quite underneath him) - good riddance to the nay say'er.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
WHEN YOU LEAVE A COMPANY LIKE VINCE WITH OUT NOTICE THAT IS F--- UP WILL .TO BRING HIM BACK WOULD NOT BE RIGHT.YOU TRUST SOME ONE TO RUN THING WHILE YOUR GONE THAT TRUST NOT TO BE BROKEN ,SO WHAT IF HE GIVE CHRIS THE LEAD ON A PROJECT .WAIT. CLOSE A SHOP DOWN IS NOT RIGHT TILL THAY GET BACK THEN HANDLE IT LIKE A MAN .(I WOULD NOT BRING HIM BACK NO EXCETIONS |)DONT LET THE DOOR HIT YOUR ASS ON YOUR WAY OUT

Submitted by paul (not verified) on
Will is a jackass. They way he has fawned over Chris is disgusting. I am proud of Vince for walking. I understand that Will lost his gun license in 09 and Vince bailed him out. Nice way to pay him back.. RJ was great. It has now turned into a soap opera with Steph and Chris the 2 love birds (who give a *&$#) and much less substantive gun talk. I'm done with the show.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I don't blame Vince for walking out. Will made a questionable decision when he put Kris in charge of the AR-1 project. Probably because Steph wanted him to. Well, Kris failed and Vince had to make things right and then Will treats him shabbily. If this project was so important, his best people should have been assigned to it.

Submitted by TOK 7.62mm (not verified) on
Reality my arse. I have worked for pricks like this guy before. Always right and everyone else is always wrong. If Vince left the show and took his FFL with him he did the right thing and more power to him.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
once again it seems the producers of a discovry show are manipulating the content. vince is a hot head good for ratings. like berring gold scott is a bully beyond good tv. he does belong in prison. maybe the producers could get these two together with todd hoffman next season what great drama.

Submitted by Short_shot (not verified) on
Vince is not a team player, he was not acting in the interest of RJ and had no intent on just being the head gunsmith and had no idea how to teach any of his skills and neither did he want to. Will had better slow his roll and watch his back, There is something rotten in the house and he is about to get really hurt! Vince would not get a job from me showing is colors as he did, or letting the show show all his dark side, He has no USMC spirit not at all he is now about self and not about the growth of RJ, He has already moved on no matter what he says. I would have cut him from that show the first time he left without telling someone, yet Will needed his talents and knuckled under hoping that Vince was not already out of his "Family at Red Jacket" Love is blind. I do not respect how vince left. No matter how he justifies it! Where is the Simper Fi in his style I see none and never have. Good riddens. Just go for it Red Jacket but watch your back your shop and your supplies. Serious rotton stuff afoot there! It has nothing to do with Kris and his new Wife, Not rally but they make a good excuse.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
You need to learn a little history, Vince was never in the CORP. Will was and he doesnt live by what SEMPER FIDELIS (simper fi lern to spell) means, Always Faithful Always Loyal. And your right about him being the HEAD GUNSMITH he should have been put in charge of a high money build like this not some slap monkey who wants more camera time and bang the so called bosses bucktoothed daughter (nice new grill for that snaggle tooth for the second season). Get your facts straight before opening your pie hole about the Marine Corp and who was in it. Quit being ate up....

Submitted by Short_shot (not verified) on
Vince is not a team player, he was not acting in the interest of RJ and had no intent on just being the head gunsmith and had no idea how to teach any of his skills and neither did he want to. Will had better slow his roll and watch his back, There is something rotten in the house and he is about to get really hurt! Vince would not get a job from me showing is colors as he did, or letting the show show all his dark side, He has no USMC spirit not at all he is now about self and not about the growth of RJ, He has already moved on no matter what he says. I would have cut him from that show the first time he left without telling someone, yet Will needed his talents and knuckled under hoping that Vince was not already out of his "Family at Red Jacket" Love is blind. I do not respect how vince left. No matter how he justifies it! Where is the Simper Fi in his style I see none and never have. Good riddens. Just go for it Red Jacket but watch your back your shop and your supplies. Serious rotton stuff afoot there! It has nothing to do with Kris and his new Wife, Not rally but they make a good excuse.

Submitted by Short_shot (not verified) on
Vince is not a team player, he was not acting in the interest of RJ and had no intent on just being the head gunsmith and had no idea how to teach any of his skills and neither did he want to. Will had better slow his roll and watch his back, There is something rotten in the house and he is about to get really hurt! Vince would not get a job from me showing is colors as he did, or letting the show show all his dark side, He has no USMC spirit not at all he is now about self and not about the growth of RJ, He has already moved on no matter what he says. I would have cut him from that show the first time he left without telling someone, yet Will needed his talents and knuckled under hoping that Vince was not already out of his "Family at Red Jacket" Love is blind. I do not respect how vince left. No matter how he justifies it! Where is the Simper Fi in his style I see none and never have. Good riddens. Just go for it Red Jacket but watch your back your shop and your supplies. Serious rotton stuff afoot there! It has nothing to do with Kris and his new Wife, Not rally but they make a good excuse.

Submitted by Short_shot (not verified) on
After reading more and more about the inside stuff to Sons of Guns I am sad. I had gotten interested in fire arms knowing little but thought that Will had a good reputation for himself and his his business. Why was the show promoted as Wills Shop this was deceptive only from a media point of view it is on with the show. Well I guess it is just like any other "reality show" what a shame. I still do not like Vince's behavior found it less than professional, now that it is uncovered he had the FLL license, that explaines the attitude and the in appropriate gun shop wordrobe. I do not know any realy place of business that allows clogs or flip flop shoes worn in a show where their is machinery. Hum perhaps he was taking liberties long before this shoe aired, Still he does not impress me at all. He is two faced and a sneek if no ones knows it is ok kind of guy, not very good for business or personal friend. Makes me wonder stuff really went ??? Just saying. Bully for Will if that is how it works, work it. get that License back and go for it on your own again as soon as you can. If not keep it in the family with a great lawyer working for You! Gunsmith, not that rare of an employee. Should be someone out there coming back from Iran or Irac needing a good job and with the economic situation like it is be glad to have the work. Play nice boys and grow up. Now that dad's girl is married she can dress down in front of the staff, it is all time for ya to get serious or TV Reality will distroy anything you have. Good luck to all on Sons of Guns @ Red Jacket

Submitted by BennyB (not verified) on
I think the whole things a blow to our senses-if Will can't keep track of guns, he shouldn't be in business. But I'm with Vince on this one. He's the pro, the one that knows the gun. If you have a project that big, that's the one to put on it. But by putting the guy who never made one in charge, then holding Vince responsible, I don't blame him-I'd walk, too. When the kid couldn't do the job, Vince had to finish it, with the kid still getting credit. Bollocks, as the 'limey' would say. I'm disapointed in the whole show. I may or may not watch it anymore.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Everyone on the show is a friggin' idiot - it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that Vince is either: sick and taking meds or smoking crack - he's lost weight, been supremely irritable and shows more and more distaste for wanting to do his job. Don't believe me? watch the shows over again. At the show's beginning he was all gung-ho and ready to be part of the team. As time went by he started acting like sand got into and was irritating his cooter - he also lost weight, started disappearing and began showing up for work in shorts and flip flops. I have worked in a tool shop, and know that all it takes is one slipped wrench to ruin your day. Besides - if he was THAT concerned about all the new influence Chris has all he has to do is threaten to walk - he, Joe and another employee are what keep RJF afloat with their FFL's, that's why Will never actually does anything than sand wood stocks, because he's not allowed to. Will and Steph are CEO's while the other 3 are the officers and gunsmiths. The truth is that they came up with this stupid assed story to make people watch the show - whether Vince is there or not he makes money because as an officer of the LLC he gets paid when RJF gets paid. It's all a ploy - like American Chopper, they will eventually give Vince a show with Flem as his boy toy or he will reconcile with Will. I think that eventually they'll cancel the show because its more drama than guns. I don't care about possum-faced Stephanie marrying special-ed Chris, or Flem sticking up for Vince and sneaking in projects behind Will's back. I already started watching "Doomsday Preppers" and the show about how they make armored cars and doomsday bunkers - cool stuff and explosions without the assenine subplots and retarded cast.

Submitted by Sharkmanmoody (not verified) on
One I have been in the work industry for a long time and I have seen people like Chris come and go ,When you have a good team of Gunsmiths ,Every thing works .Then some young dick comes in to the picture and thinks his Top dog then pecking orderwill fall around you . Vince was top Dog and some loud mouth dick comes on the scene ,Takes the Bosses daughter and sucks up to the boss .Well this is what happens . If he had a problem with Vince you dont go running to the boss crying '.He wont help me' . Chris you are a pussy And Will you think your shit dont stink . But buddy its foul . Well done Vince you know your stuff and got out . smart move .

Submitted by louringe (not verified) on
I am confused you take a armorered Porsche and put 3 M-16 and 2 clamore cannons? in it and when done it is put on a jet and shipped out of the country. Now how does that work? The federal paperwork on 3 machine guns are registered to who??? It is so much fun to see them build an AR-15 with a flat top upper and an A@ front sight and then shoot that way. (Works for me HAHAHA)

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Well, I watched the last show, with Max Brooks, son of Mel Brooks on the show for the "Zombie Gun", I thought it was the worst show I have ever seen of Sons Of Gun (And Yes, You Are Going to do that) I will not go into it, but the end of the show, Vince stops by to pick up a final check or something. Then, it shows Will saying, well, I gave him a year, thought that He showed a lot of promise, but He did not work out)what a lie, Vince had worked for Will for like 12 years as his Gunsmith, and let him use his FFL license when Will had lost his, so that the show would go on. I never saw a colder look in a person's face, like when Will told this story. Then He told Chris to go hire another Gunsmith.

I am all with you on that, Anonymous; I have never been so bored watching that show--maybe any show. And, first thing I thought: KRIS is going to look for a new gunsmith ... LOL ... okay, whatever ... :/

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Vince worked hard on all the projects he had, and never seemed to struggle, always figuring out how to complete his assignment even though he and the rest of the crew worked under unrealistic time lines. There had to be alot of pressure.Will has suggested that he and his crew are a family, but he at least on camera never took the time to communicate with Vince and help him, if help was needed.Will commands alot of respect,or should I say demands, but does'nt give much back to his crew.Will does extend a great amount of respect to his customers especially the famous ones.Vince is a good worker and should had been treated better.I don't blame him for walking off the job after the way he was treated. Again, Will expects respect. That goes both ways.Vince is a grown man too!Be fair people, how many of us would have taken that pressure and not walked too? To finish. Chris is funny, no doubt. But he is no gunsmith! And I think he is venting on Vince somehow believing he is sticking up on Wills behalf.Like he is Wills defender.I cant believe Chris was ever really Vinces real friend? Friends forgive and try to understand. Chris is a kid still.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
kris ford is nothing but a brown noseing, untalented, idiot with a police record. they should take him off that show

Submitted by unclekth (not verified) on
Reality show or not.Here is a reality for you.I went to Red Jacket to see about having some work done.A security guard stopped me in the parking lot and asked if he could help me.When I told him I wanted to see about having some gunsmithing done,I was told they don't do that.All they do is the show now.Maybe they should take down their sign since they aren't open for business anymore.

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