Will Dual Survival fans give Joe Teti a chance?

Just one episode into the new season, many Dual Survival fans are already sounding off with an anti-Joe stance.

They’re back!

Well, at least, Cody Lundin is back; Dave Canterbury is wherever he is, but he’s not back on Discovery Channel’s Dual Survival, much to the dismay of many viewers. And, the tension between Cody and new partner Joe Teti did not help bring viewers around to the new pairing.

There was often conflict between Dave and Cody on the show during the first two seasons—that was part of the fun. But, the conflict was typically good-natured. Last night, the conflict had a different vibe to it—but, does that make it negative, or just new and different?

Long-Term vs. Short-Term

Cody and Dave, while having different ways of getting there, were usually united on their goals. Their focus was typically together: getting to the end alive. Cody and Joe, however, seem to have not only different ways of getting there, they also seem to have different goals for tackling their survival challenges. Cody, a primitive survival and living specialist, looks at the overall picture, and seeks ways to get to the end alive and well. Joe, on the other hand, is a highly trained military specialist. As Discovery has indicated, Teti “is a veteran of both US military and US government special operations units. He is a former Force Recon Marine, Army Special Forces ‘Green Beret,’ and a former operator in a highly classified government counter-terrorist unit.” Watching him last night, it was clear: He does not breakdown his assignments into huge chunks, planning from beginning to end; he looks at the situation and seeks ways to get to the next minute alive—a completely different point of view, and one that perhaps only someone who has been placed in situations where their life is truly, constantly in jeopardy can understand.

Overacting?

Fans have already complained that Joe is “overacting,” but perhaps he is simply relating his training and experience to the situations at hand—something most of us really cannot understand. Yes, his reactions may appear extreme at times—such as when he killed the pig in the one-hour special Dual Survival: Unbraided—but would it not seem MORE surprising that his reactions were NOT extreme, given all of his training and years in the most elite areas of the military? That training is not something that one just throws away when they leave combat, so it doesn’t seem surprising—or unreasonable—that when Joe killed that pig—and, boy, did he kill it—he would have the wild-eyed reaction he did. Most of us have never been in a single situation where we have to be on the lookout for someone literally trying to ambush and kill us; but imagine if that were our daily lives for years on end. Is it unreasonable to think that our training might kick-in in such a violent situation, pig or otherwise, and that perhaps, for a moment, we might find ourselves back in an earlier moment of defending ourselves in a different time in our lives?

Psychology vs. Physiology

Cody and Joe are working together for the first time, and it just makes sense that they are going to hit some bumps in the road. And, when they are coming from such completely different modes of operation, there are going to be a lot of points of discussion, maybe heated, and times to compromise. But, that is the point of Dual Survival, right? Two people with different philosophies working together, even if it means one of them taking a swig of his own pee to get a “psychological edge” at the displeasure of the other, which should be enough to give anyone an idea of the extreme Joe is working from in his methods. And, while both agreed that drinking urine for hydration is not advised, even Cody stated, while still strongly disagreeing with the idea of drinking urine at all, that, “the psychology in many aspects does trump physiology.”

Just a chance?

Viewers are missing Dave, there is no doubt, but Dave is gone from Dual Survival, and he is not coming back anytime in the foreseeable future. Change in any form is difficult, but perhaps if we give Joe a chance to be Joe, we’ll start to see that there is a method to his madness. And, who knows? We might even begin to like him.

Thoughts? Sound off in the comment section below.

Dual Survival airs on Discovery Channel on Tuesday nights at 9/8c.

UPDATED: Did Cody, Joe turn trust-building corner in Hawaii?

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Comments

Submitted by Kingtut (not verified) on
First off, Hollywood is all about make-believe and false heros, so what difference does it make if Dave was a ID clerk or a warrior? He proved himself repeatedly and I still feel like there is a place for him on my TV set-I just liked the guy! Dave and Cody had a great thing going! But I'm also not ready to throw Joe under the bus after the first episode. My ten year old and I watched it last night and found it as usual, very entertaining. The camera work was quality and took us to places we've never seen-that's what this show does. The drinking the pee thing has already been done by Bear Grills and I could live my entire life without ever seeing it again! But Joe has some real combat/survival experiance that I always respect and pay close attention to. Maybe his acting skills will improve with coaching. Oh and that big ars knife of his looks way cool-Go Joe!

Yes, it was definitely a different vibe, but I'm with you: Not throwing Joe under-the-bus after a single episode. He gives the show a "harder" edge, it seems, and it's just a fun show. I liked Dave, but Joe is the guy, now ... I really think he'll grow on a lot of people as time goes by. As far as the acting, you know, I guess I just keep thinking about how any everyday person would be if they were placed in that situation--gotta give him some transitional time to get "camera comfy." I mean, if he IS a real person, can't expect him to have great TV skills, right? And, the pee thing ... nasty, just nasty, but I did get his point (although, I'm with you on that, too: Could have gone for the rest of my life w/o seeing it).

Submitted by Sarge47 (not verified) on
1st, it speaks to a man's credibility if he falsified records in order to come off publicly as a survival instructor. People's lives can hang in the balance...and then there is the matter of lawsuits, a fact that I'm sure that Discovery's producers were very much aware of. This is also the reason that Discovery channel started posting the type of disclaimers that they now do. Both the US Army Survival Manual, and The SAS Survival Manual, as well as many other survival books state that drinking your own urine is BAD! I don't know if Joe T. has a wife or girlfriend, but if he does, before he kissed her I hope he brushed his teeth really, really wel! 2nd, watching the show "Dual Survival Unbraided," I couldn't help noticing that Joe used a series of large knives. I think I saw a Becker knife as well as the Buck "Hoodlum" designed by the late Ron Hood. Anyway I could have sworn I saw the "Hood's Woods" logo on the blade. Since I'm an avid knife nut I'll be watching Joe for that very reason if nothing else. Note Cody's modest little inexpensive Swedish Mora knife. For it's price and size it's a very good knife for use in the outdoors. Cody was a student of the Canadian Survival instructor Mors Kochanski, who uses the same type of knife enev in the primitive Canadian Boreal Forest.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Joes knife is made by TOPs and he designed it himself, its called the surv tac-7. Also I like Joe better than Dave. Joe is by far the most badass individual on TV and its cool being able to watch somebody that has done as much as he has. No doubt is he hard headed and stubborn but he's an american hero who has skills that have kept him alive thus far. I think eventually they'll compromise more as they grow together as a team.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I disagree with Joe being the biggest badass on TV. I think Mykel Hawke would eat this guy alive. I have learned more about survival from him than any other guy on TV. Mykel is the real deal! You watch Mykel and he knows everything about getting out alive.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Mike hawk would get raped by joe. This guy was not only in one but three different special operations units, and wen tho he can't say pretty obvious he was delta. The elite of the elite. Dave was a poser and mike doesn't even compare. I think this guy will bring a lot of knowledge and entertainment to this show

Submitted by DB (not verified) on
Joe Teti is a fake. He did complete the Green Beret Qualification course while assigned to the National Guard's 19 Special Forces Group. He was kicked out of 1st BN 19 SFG(A) for stealing night vision goggles and other expensive equipment. They didn't have enough evidence though to prosecute. He then went to A CO 5/19 SFG(A) and was removed from operational status for lack of critical thinking skills and uncontrolled temper. I personally watched him pull a loaded pistol and draw down on his team sergeant in a fight during a Special Forces Urban Combat Course taught at Camp Williams, UT in the summer 2000. When he was teaching the same course in 2001, he was caught stealing training simunition pistols and ammunition. This was while he was in the National Guard. He owned a concrete pressure washing business in NV as his full time profession. In 2003, I ran into him in Baghdad where he was working for a private security firm doing protection details. I caught him lying again when he said he was working in Delta Force. His boss "Ike" was a former Sergeant Major in Delta and when word got back about what Joe was saying he was fired from that position too. He NEVER worked for any Tier 1 unit and did NOT serve on active duty in his army career. I have not tried to verify his Marine Corp background he claims but friends who have been Recon for decades haven't heard of him. The National Guard guys do great work, but never have been called a "counter terrorism force." Joe Teti is well known by many Special Forces Operators to be a stealing, lying fake and it is sad that the show will be ruined as this is slowly exposed.

Submitted by SWCC (not verified) on
Hmmmm , Very interesting indeed

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I am not going to get into a pissing contest with you about what you know or think you know. BUT, you are pretty much clueless as to what you are saying. I know Joe, worked with him MANY times over the last 15 years. Yes, he was active duty (force recon) yes, you are right that he was not in a tier 1 military unit (he never said that) he did in fact work with a Government CT unit. No de did not get fired by Iggy. do you really think that he would have gotten away with pulling a gun on someone as an instructor? Joe has great integrity and honor. so what i think you need to do is verify your facts first. If you are a real man, i suggest you do what a gentleman did on SOCNET, post your name and number. he did, Joe call contacted him and gave him the opportunity to explain his ridiculous comments. Read the posting. pull your head out of your 4th point of contact, be a man and post your name for all to see

Submitted by J.H. (not verified) on
Why do you carry such a grudge for Joe??? It sounds like your a little MAD that Joe got the job you wouldn't qualify for! I'm sure the Discovery channel did their home work on his back ground. Especially after Dave was caught lying about his credentials. I don't know you... But I'm sure Joe would have you for lunch! THANKS for all you have done for our country Joe! SEMPER FI!!!!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Hawke would get raped by joe. This guy was not only in one but three different special operations units, and neven tho he can't say pretty obvious he was delta. The elite of the elite. Dave was a poser and hawke doesn't even compare. I think this guy will bring a lot of knowledge and entertainment to this show

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I am so glad on unbraided that the camera crew was treated like they were in the batmobile going to the batcave with all that secrecy. I wonder if you can get joe's address off of his sag card?

Submitted by Dan (not verified) on
Joe Teti is a fake. He did complete the Green Beret Qualification course while assigned to the National Guard's 19 Special Forces Group. He was kicked out of 1st BN 19 SFG(A) for stealing night vision goggles and other expensive equipment. They didn't have enough evidence though to prosecute. He then went to A CO 5/19 SFG(A) and was removed from operational status for lack of critical thinking skills and uncontrolled temper. I personally watched him pull a loaded pistol and draw down on his team sergeant in a fight during a Special Forces Urban Combat Course taught at Camp Williams, UT in the summer 2000. When he was teaching the same course in 2001, he was caught stealing training simunition pistols and ammunition. This was while he was in the National Guard. He owned a concrete pressure washing business in NV as his full time profession. In 2003, I ran into him in Baghdad where he was working for a private security firm doing protection details. I caught him lying again when he said he was working in Delta Force. His boss "Ike" was a former Sergeant Major in Delta and when word got back about what Joe was saying he was fired from that position too. He NEVER worked for any Tier 1 unit and did NOT serve on active duty in his army career. I have not tried to verify his Marine Corp background he claims but friends who have been Recon for decades haven't heard of him. The National Guard guys do great work, but never have been called a "counter terrorism force." Joe Teti is well known by many Special Forces Operators to be a stealing, lying fake and it is sad that the show will be ruined as this is slowly exposed.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Joe has an ex wife not sure of his current status. I am sure she was kissed by his mouth after drinking urine. For those of you who think he is acting and over the top he is not. That is how Joe is. Lived with it for many years. As far as Joe being a role model for kids. He will be a great one as he can teach a child how to get thrown under a bus over and over again and still survive!!

Submitted by Sarge47 (not verified) on
It's already starting. On Cody's Facebook page for DS, several people have already posted that they have quit watching the show. Others say that they will NOT let their children watch it. Criticizing survival is NOT throwing the instructor under the bus, but rather checking out his or her credibility. Drinking urine is dangerous to the human system and many people have died doing that. The 1st time a child even gets ill following any TV survival instructor demonstrating that it's okay to drink urine the lawsuits will hit! Note that both Mykel Hawke and Bear Grylls demonstrated that it was okay and neither one now have a show on Discovery. Mykel had his wife, Ruth England, drink his urine and she wound up so ill that they had to have the back up crew come in with bottled water to prevent dehydration. Remember that TV personalities have greater responsibilities than the rest of us who can sit in the comfort of their living rooms and say how cool it is for somebody to do these stupid things. That being said, you better believe that Discovery is paying close attention to what the viewers think of Joe. If they get an overwhelming amount of negative input Cody might very well be working with a new partner for Dual Survival 4...that is if there's anyplace left for him to go.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Not saying drinking urine is a good idea. But then parents should always monitor what their child is watching on television and guide their children that is a parent's job not a television show's job. Just saying I have seen Mr. Teti take hit after hit after hit. Many of which would have 99% of people out for the count. This man lets nothing get in the way of his goals. That IS a good role model for children.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I am so glad they air these episodes more than once! Everyone needs to re-watch this one for sure! Joe DID NOT drink his urine! As he stated, he simply wet his mouth, which was a pychological boost! Unless you have been in a situation of dehydration, with no water source whatsoever, I don't think anyone can truly say they wouldn't be tempted to do the same. Please people - give Joe a break! I can truly say, that if I were in a survival situation, it would be the greatest blessing in the world, to have him stranded with me!

Submitted by Nero (not verified) on
Like most people I miss Dave too, but I think Joe will be great, that said if they ever replace Cody I will never watch that show again, hes one of my hero's, I'm sure I speak for a lot of people

Submitted by magman (not verified) on
Joe's knife is a direct rip off of Hawke's Hellion which has been on the market for years. Check it out....

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I have no problem with the guy...but his CONSTANT blinking while he talks is REALLY annoying.

Submitted by jon (not verified) on
Dave did an outstanding job. Teti is this incredibly qualified "secret killer" that is scared of a ferrel pig. Cody is OK and he has to educate Teti 5 times an episode on basic survival.

Submitted by Frank T (not verified) on
Did not like all the arguing between Cody and Joe. What happend to Dave? I noticed in season one the credits said that Dave was a HUNTER, in the second season they droped that from his discription? Perhaps, Discover Channel is AGAINSTHunting as it is with GUNS (They dropped AMERICAN GUNS).?

Submitted by Sarge47 (not verified) on
The story is that much of Dave's bio was false, hence the emphasis that Cody Lundin placed on his Facebook page as to the thorough "vetting" of Joe Teti by both Discovery and himself! Many military, both active and inactive were offended by Dave's fake bio!

Submitted by Sarge47 (not verified) on
Even the US Army Survival Manual says not to drink your own urine! Joe needs to keep one thought to the forefront, young children also watch this show, catch Cody's revelation about all the audience responses he got when he aired the episode where he was emotional about wasting water! The point being is that Joe now has the added responsibility of being a "positive role model." It appears to me that he just wants to do whatever he wants to do and forget everything and everybody else! Time will tell, but I watch the show for Cody Lundin anyway.

You have a good point, but perhaps that mindset--that one is now a potential role model seen by millions of viewers--is one that will develop in time. It would be an overwhelming reality, it seems, going from a life guarded by so much secrecy to jumping into the spotlight of television. As you said, time will tell.

Submitted by Sarge47 (not verified) on
I totally agree! Joe's prior history was one of a deeply clandestine nature, and now he's jumping into the spotlight on national/international TV! It will be interesting to see how he handles it. BTW, I loved Cody's responses to Joe in the episode when Joe told him that he was about to drink his own urine!

That whole scene was a riot ... a gross riot, but a riot, nevertheless!

Submitted by Chris webber (not verified) on
If you listened to that part of the show Joe was using the liquid to wet his mouth and lips to gain a little psychological advantage, as they were in the desert and parched. He at no time was or planned on actually drinking the fluids.

Submitted by Chris webber (not verified) on
If you listened to that part of the show Joe was using the liquid to wet his mouth and lips to gain a little psychological advantage, as they were in the desert and parched. He at no time was or planned on actually drinking the fluids.

Submitted by notafan anymore (not verified) on
i couldnt watch it. the camera work is great and the locations beautiful but there isnt any actual teaching of survival skills or bushcraft. i think these shows have reached a peak and there isnt anything new to add....

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
yep, there was no training whatsoever only bs posturing. The only thing Joe has over Bear is that he is smart enough to wear a hat. Go Survivorman!

Submitted by Sapient (not verified) on
With Joe you get a real live example of military trained survival skills, it contrasts yet compliments Cody's natural and spiritual approach. I greatly appreciate this dynamic and benefit from both of their experience and knowledge shared. Thank you and keep it going.

Submitted by ITSmellslike**** (not verified) on
Perhaps if Cody were tocomplete a mission with live bullets being shot at him, instead of playing fairy woodland dessert nymph. There is no comparison and Teti said himself he was out of HIS element. Lundin had the last guy axed because Lundin looked lazy. Lundin had this guy picked because there is no comparison and no Threat for tutition competition $$$$. Put on some Kevlar and man up then you can talk all the smack you want. Only thing I saw that one actual put his life on the line the other just talks about itas a marketing technique. Conveinent to not be able to look this guy up.

Submitted by Sarge47 (not verified) on
As Cody himself stated on the "Unbraided" episode; he didn't WANT them to be comparable. He WANTED the conflict of the two different types of survival types to be shown, and that's what he got! Both Joe and Cody have a deep respect for each other and their different skill sets. Cody has taught desert survival at his school for 20+ years and has authored several books on the subject of Survival which are held in high regard. He doesn't need bullets to be shot at him to know his craft. Even Joe T. admits that Cody is an expert in his field! Cody went on to say that Joe had bullets being thrown in his face for most of his military life and that Joe kept the rest of us civilians safe while we slept in our beds. His respect and admiration for what Joe has gone through is obvious. Just let me say this,in any type of domestic Survival situation I'd want Cody. However, if the Taliban attack, give me Joe!

Submitted by ITSmellslike**** (not verified) on
So you are saying exactly that. The only purpose for Joe to be on the show is to primarily highlight Lundin and his skills and give Lundin someone to badger. Dave was to similar and a threat? Did not highlight Lundin enough? the show has lost its appeal . Most are going with daves methods of gear when they go out, that is if they are smart, very few will be hunting insurgents and not many will be in the Dessert environment (Lundin best field, he lack some stuff and nearly drown in Kentucky, does not know the stuff he should but gets consultants from other regions), but more may find themselves in other bio regions than that. How does this benefit most viewers?

Submitted by Sarge47 (not verified) on
It's more like "dueling survival personalities." Non-military folks will follow Cody, military and former military will follow Joe. Dave is gone because he lied about his military background. My oldest son served as a Marine in the gulf so I can get an idea of the Military mindset. HOWEVER, drinking your own urine is a survival "no-no" in ALL of the survival books!

Submitted by ITSmellslike**** (not verified) on
I think you may be caught up in the fanbase mentality and needing a GURU or an image to buy into. These guys wont be there when you actually need them. You are accessing the actual providence of YOUR reality for the skills offered and by who they may be offered by.( unless you do live in the desert or hunt insurgents) If you spent your money on a desert course and live/play in Maine you got taken!! Use your head! That was a mighty expensive social network brag when you could have gotten the book at the library. Not that Lundin or Discovery's advertisers will mind. $$$$$ Discovery and Lundin the general public a disservice. Politicians lie everyday they still have their jobs. It did hurt the average viewer in more ways than bruised ego, it became virtually useless! Its not about the skills its about the FAME

Submitted by Sarge47 (not verified) on
1st off, I've been a moderator on a Wilderness Survival forum for many years now. I learned my survival skills from the Boy Scouts and when you get right down to it that's all you really need. The one Survival teacher that I really admired was the late Ron Hood and you should check out that guy's military background! What he did in Viet Nam was very impressive and also covert. I respect Cody as he's actually taken some of his busy time to respond to questions from me and other forum members. Cody was taught by the Canadian Survival instructor Mors Kochanski who's playground is the primitive Boreal forest and has been successfully running his aboriginal survival school for over 20 years. I'm not ready to throw Joe "under the bus" just yet, but he's got some work to do if he wants to stay on the show. I've visited Cody's "Dual Survival" Facebook page and couldn't help but notice that most of the Dual Survival fans on there are begging him to "dump Joe." That could be the handwriting on the wall for Joe for as you say, it's all about the advertising dollars and the ratings!

Submitted by Smellslikes*** (not verified) on
The new casting is set up to look as if it is a compare contrast two styles, but there is ONLY one survivalist, the other is a solider and really has nothing to do with surviving the campout scenario, but rather that of completing missions. Even if it cost his life. It is not about surviving. There is no comparision nor is there a true contrast. Soliders are not survivalists which The general public does not understandt as well as those in the military do. Thus looks like two trying to survive, but there is only one survivalist. It is the CODY show with no threat from the RED WHITE AND BLUE co star Who attacks a patriot withno verifiable record by the viewer. TWO is ONE! Did they think we wouldnt pick up on that, Dave got dumped for questionable valor issues per Cody not Discovery, He had his fans helping him push the idea of a show just with him, now the elite are being marketed for doing what they do, I get a flag in my face to sell me something in the place of place of a friend in Delta who gave his life in Mogadishu in 93 for what? Desert skills do me no good in Maine, and Cody gets to look like more of an expert than he really is. The Maine episode proved it, But beat on the truck hood if you think it helps. Discovery consultants will sell you the rest. The public gets sold yet another bill of goods for profit of its advertisers and stars. and accepts it without much thought, its easier to be told than look to hard at it. Thus John Q Public get shafted and does not see it , even after they tell you themselves. Two is ONE (was insulting). Of course Joe will get dumped, I'm even pretty sure he know it and doesn't care as long as the check does not bounce. People buy what they want to buy, see what they want to see, but sometimes it pays to use the nose and other senses too. It Smells like S**** to me. Not that I wont accept Teti, I think however he is in for a rough ride till people realize it is all about Cody. Shame it tarnished images of the fallen 18 however. RIP BLACK HAWK DOWN.

Submitted by Smellslikes*** (not verified) on
Not blaming TETI, military pay sucks and vets need to eat.. But the selling of questionable expertise,ethics and character as well as product by use of deception, by a network or a survivalist persona, is that not some form of stolen valor too?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Actually I kno joe so u can shut the hell up. He doesn't give a rats ass about money believe it or not some people aren't all about money.

Submitted by Smellslikes*** (not verified) on
I said I was sure Teti knows he is not the survivalist,, I am sure he got paid for the mission, It the survivalist that is after the money and glory to the extent of trying to ruin the other mans business. Yes Dave may have padded a resume, But Lundin pads his life story with exaggerations. He expunged jail record, drug use, even his own lifestyle of health and diet. He paints images not truths.Cody threw Dave under the bus and tried to ruin his business as it was competition. Dave was used to get CODY more exposure and Lundin and his buddies used that later to remove the threat. Lundin is the one I was inferring too. Why shouldnt Teti get paid for being the sacrificial lamb, as long as he completes the mission. Cody wanted his own show and got it, but had to take a Superhero sidekick to make it work. Dave was a country boy with life skills first, and a solider second, as are many. I still have not seen adequate proof of the lies Dave has told, only manufacted sites of questionable verifiablitlity pushed by camp Lundin as golden truth. Discovery has said nothing, As it was Cody and friends that brought the charges against Dave. Why should Teti get paid! I dont care how much Lundin get paid either for that matter, I would not even care how he tries to fleece the general public a few $grand$ for the solar oven out af a cardboard box lesson.,,But I do care when he tramples on the people by his New age cult magic, on Dave and one the things most hold as decent. He wants Respect but treats most of society with disdain. Even some in his hometown think he is a jerk. just ask.He can tear up like any actor when he wants. And if you did your research you would find hes been trying for a tv show for years, is not as 'Clean Living' as you think. I in fact hope they did pay Teti extremely well for having to be seen with that piece of s***..(you are what you eat Lundin..we all saw you eat S*** in season 2 So why now all are shocked someone drank P***.) It is all faked, for the benefit of making Cody Lundin look bigger than he is. Of course Cody supports and think Joe is the "bomb" , it sells.It not for his service however, but rather he suits Cody's personal TV career needs perfectly. Lundin grew up military, but he has no real respect for it or didn't for many years not until he got a few Military contracts. Which I do not think he still holds, yet pads his own resume with. He is good at the crocodile tears however. Why do you think he acts the hippie role. His mitochondria are no better than yours, the guys a nutcase from all the drugs. Do as I say not as I do, cult leader psychology. The bare feet and braids are for attention, he needs lots of it. I dont like how the guy operates, but once a criminal always a criminal. It wasn't some little possession bust. or slap on the wrist. They Fired the wrong guy. Cody is the one that made it happen. I hope it works out for Joe and is the one gets his OWN SHOW, He has actually earned it. Dave offered more to the general public for its benefit. For outdoor fun and hunting, now the message from discovery is lets all go kill insurgents . And make some moonshine afterwards.. given recent event I am not so sure that info should be sold to the public, not the way Lundin will sell it. Criminals and criminal activity should not be allowed on TV...leave it to national defense and the leaders who make the policy. The soldier just follows his orders. Something Lundin is not good at himself, but great at telling you what to do. Apparent the concept of shame no longer exists in TV land or its viewers. Do as Cody says and for gods sake become dependent of his version of truth, instead of your own BS detector. Now hand over your shoes and wallet.:) Don't blame me if my unpopular individual opinion turns out to be the right choice after all is said and done.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Joes the man wish I could meet him

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
It is not just the skills,,,It is your honor.....At first I was in awe of Cody's way of life...It is how I try to live..Harm None...But as I came to discover Cody is not a man of honor. If you watch the show. It is confusing if you are really trying to get survival skills. I watch only for the humor. I could tell that there was trouble with Dave and Cody in Maine..Cody made some remarks that were very rude while Dave had the patience of a parent....Cody also has made a lot of remarks about Dave that really were not necessary..The Man is gone from the show let him move on why kick him when he is down I don't recall any press releases from Discovery about Dave..only from Cody who felt it was his duty....That is where he lost his Honor...and he still does not miss a chance to sock it to Dave. We can only hope that maybe Cody will step on a thorn....No I don't want him to get hurt I am a woman and again Harm none Really I don't need to go bare foot to feel in harmony with Mother. As for The fallen 18 Never will their image be tarnished or the sacrfice they and many others have made be forgotten by this humble family

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
It is not just the skills,,,It is your honor.....At first I was in awe of Cody's way of life...It is how I try to live..Harm None...But as I came to discover Cody is not a man of honor. If you watch the show. It is confusing if you are really trying to get survival skills. I watch only for the humor. I could tell that there was trouble with Dave and Cody in Maine..Cody made some remarks that were very rude while Dave had the patience of a parent....Cody also has made a lot of remarks about Dave that really were not necessary..The Man is gone from the show let him move on why kick him when he is down I don't recall any press releases from Discovery about Dave..only from Cody who felt it was his duty....That is where he lost his Honor...and he still does not miss a chance to sock it to Dave. We can only hope that maybe Cody will step on a thorn....No I don't want him to get hurt I am a woman and again Harm none Really I don't need to go bare foot to feel in harmony with Mother. As for The fallen 18 Never will their image be tarnished or the sacrfice they and many others have made be forgotten by this humble family

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
My husband and I are both huge fans of DS, and were surprised that Dave had been replaced, yet we thoroughly enjoyed the show and the addition of Joe. We live next to Ft.Campbell, home to many special forces, so we weren't surprised by Joe's actions and bravado. We're budding preppers, so we love all the survival info, including hunting animals (although neither of us are hunters). Joe fills the void left by Dave perfectly, and is not to bad on the eyes either, as are most SFs. My favorite new part of the show was Unbraided as I'm a behind-the-scenes fanatic. For the stats record, I'm a retired schoolteacher (20 yrs.5th gr.) and my younger husband is an engineer. Keep up the good work- we're still devoted fans!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
My husband and I are both huge fans of DS, and were surprised that Dave had been replaced, yet we thoroughly enjoyed the show and the addition of Joe. We live next to Ft.Campbell, home to many special forces, so we weren't surprised by Joe's actions and bravado. We're budding preppers, so we love all the survival info, including hunting animals (although neither of us are hunters). Joe fills the void left by Dave perfectly, and is not to bad on the eyes either, as are most SFs. My favorite new part of the show was Unbraided as I'm a behind-the-scenes fanatic. For the stats record, I'm a retired schoolteacher (20 yrs.5th gr.) and my younger husband is an engineer. Keep up the good work- we're still devoted fans!

Submitted by carol lewis (not verified) on
i love the show with Cody but the new guy Joe is a blow hard know it all..........takes all the fun out of watching the show..........

Submitted by Mkr (not verified) on
Honestly that is his personality. And he has been/is in the military for so long, when u deal with everything like people in military do,,,you can't expect them to be like people who have had everything handed to them in life. They are more serious and I mean you should kinda expect that from a lot of military guys.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
It's a damn shame that "Dave" had to embellish his experiences in the military and this obviously was at least in part, the cause for his removal from the program. On the other hand, Joe T., for all of his experience in Special Forces etc. just doesn't "fit" the original purpose of the show, i.e. to demonstrate how to use what's available to you in any given situation to survive and how to draw on each others knowledge base to accomplish the task at hand. With the addition of Joe T., it has become more of a personal contest between the two men to upstage the other and less about showing people how to survive! I vote to get rid of Joe T. and find someone else who has more interest in getting along and solving the problems with Cody than showing off just how profecient he has become killing things and acting like he just eliminated a terrorist. Young people do not need any more exposure to weapons of mass destructiion and the glorifying of taking of a life. We NEED men like Joe out there on the front lines and thank God they are there but this does not translate into success in civilian life using the tools of death. He's too much over the top!!!! Deerhunter68

Submitted by Wolf (not verified) on
I agree brother

Submitted by Regular Fan (not verified) on
I have a lot of respect for anyone who has done what Joe has done--but at the same time, it doesn't make him a survival expert. Cody most definitely is one. I thought Joe was a bit arrogant in his insistence on drinking his own urine even after Cody had explained how dumb this is. If I was in some hostile part of the Middle East, I'd want Joe with me--but in some environment where nature is the only threat, I'd take Cody in a heartbeat. And yeah, I do miss the easy banter with Dave--but if Dave actually lied about his military record, that was super-dumb.

Submitted by Sarge47 (not verified) on
I think that many people respect Joe as a warrior, but now he has a different role. If he and Cody were truly lost, without the back-up safety systems in place, he could have gotten really ill and became a liability, causing a grave threat to both of them! Future episodes should prove interesting!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I am a fan of the show and applaud the contrast in styles. Clearly hunter (Joe), gatherer (Cody) skills. I look forward to this season.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I wish there was a way that Dave would come back. Cody,s new partner is bad for the show. The look on Joe's face when he killed the wild pig was vicious. I feel he biggest mistake Discovery made was finding this new partner for Cody. Better find Dave and bring him back

Submitted by Rues48 (not verified) on
I wish there was a way that Dave would come back. Cody,s new partner is bad for the show. The look on Joe's face when he killed the wild pig was vicious. I feel he biggest mistake Discovery made was finding this new partner for Cody. Better find Dave and bring him back

Submitted by Bob 57 (not verified) on
Please bring Dave Canterbury back Dave and Cody always found a solution their disagreements Not so with Joe

Submitted by Lynn Porter (not verified) on
What a joke! Get dave back. He is a good example of some jerks that are sucsessful in military. At least Dave knew when to sit down and back off.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Disagree as much as someone can. He is going to have an edge just because of what he's been thru - which is a crapload more than Dave. Let him settle in and they will be a great team. It takes a little bit to fully trust the other guy

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Joe Teti is friggin awesome!! People give him a chance and think about what he's REALLY been thru. This dude is a warrior of the highest degree. They will grow to know and trust each other as it moves along and act as more of a team. Best thing that couldve happened to this show! I loved Dave,dont get me wrong. This is a better fit. He;s a freak

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I definately miss Dave, But I do understand why he is gone. I know how I would feel if i worked with a guy for 2 seasons, putting my "life" in his hands (as life threatening as the production can be) and I found out he had been lying to me all along about his experience. I dont think anybody questions his survival knowlege, or abilites, just his ethics. but then again... it is show business. I am not yet ready to sell Joe out this early in the season. He clearly has assets that he brings to the game. His job has alway been to improvise and adapt to his situation, and that is what he is doing now. While I can't condone his drinking his own urine, I do understand his reasoning for it. Cody and Dave both emphasized that survival is all about your attitude. Hopefully, in time, Cody will help Joes "attitude" make more sense. BTW, am I the only one who found it hilarious when Joe was trying to argue with Cody about making fires? Didn't he at least watch a single episode of the first 2 seasons?

Submitted by Wolf (not verified) on
What were they thinking of putting this guy Joe on this show? I will admit I was never a big fan of Dave but what they had worked and I learned a lot from Dave and even more so from Cody. Dave's approach was always fast paced let get er done but he was smart about it! "Besides The Bee Hive"... The whole thing with him having falsified records should not affect anybodies opinion about him he is still a Hunter and a TRUE outdoors man. This guy Joe is a danger to Cody and the show. I don't give a rats Ass about his military triumph that is what the Military channel is for. As a viewer I want to see a survival show not a freaking soap opera! Joe drinking his pee and the face he makes after killing the boar make the show seem Dramatized. The fact that he says he is living second by second and if its his time to die its his time do die? That;s doing the opposite of surviving that's going out there and trying to do stunts in the wild for publicity like that Idiot Bear Grylls. Joe even said he has no experience in survival because "We had Technology and state of the art equipment to survive with". I understand the Discovery channel wants two survivors with two different ways of survival to make the show entertaining and to show two different approaches. The fact of the matter is that Joe is a soldier he is a survivor of WAR and not the wild! He looks pathetic compared to Cody. Season three is just going to be Joe getting schooled by Cody and being a A Hole about it. Discovery should admit to a mistake when they make one and this guy Joe is a mistake.

Submitted by Sarge47 (not verified) on
Ok the thing is this is not about Mykel Hawke, he was a Green Beret ONLY! I also don't think Joe would rape him, Joe seems straight to me! Also "Delta Force" is the "D-Team" in the Green Berets, Joe went way beyond the Green Berets and was also in the Marines. I believe that it may have been the Navy Seals, perhaps Seal Team 6 since they're the ones who handle terrorist activity. If not them then some other group under the CIA. None of that matters. Neither does it matter why Joe took the part. The question is will he last? Will the audience warm up to him or reject him completely? Arguing about it on here is silly since the only one who can factually answer the questions regarding Joe is only Joe himself. Also Dave C. has went on YouTube with an explanation and a public apology regarding his embellishment of his resume to Discovery channel. He goes on to say that his contract with them expired at the end of Season 2 of Dual Survival and they never renewed it based on inaccuracy's in his resume. Cody had nothing to do with it. Since we're not allowed to post links here anybody interested in David's video will have to search for it themselves. I recently viewed it and was impressed with Dave's honesty. For the next Dual Survival I nominate Ruth England and Karen Hood...at least they'd be worth watching! ;O)

Submitted by John Wayne (not verified) on
Joe is more of a comedian than a real soldier.... 1 thing is that he talks too much, 2. what he does say make little or no sence, 3. his actions are just plain stupid. I rather have a rock for a partner than joe. If I had a partner like that i would just lose it.

Submitted by John Wayne (not verified) on
Joe is more of a comedian than a real soldier.... 1 thing is that he talks too much, 2. what he does say make little or no sence, 3. his actions are just plain stupid. I rather have a rock for a partner than joe. If I had a partner like that i would just lose it.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
You are completely right! Joe talks too much. He is full of himself and to be completely honest I have met him years ago. He lives in NC and he would tell anyone that he was in special forces. He always seemed a little fishy to me. He was always bragging to anyone that would listen about what he's supposedly done. I really think that if the discovery channel digged deep enough they would find out that his credentials are at the very least embellished. I think we would find that he was only in the actual military for a very brief time when he was much younger and then years later he did a couple contracts with companies to go over seas and be a door kicker. He isn't smart enough to do anymore than that. This guy is a self centered hot head with no common sense! He really is an idiot!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
the guy killed a pig with a big knife, did you notice that he almost missed the knife while trying to get it out of the sheath while on camera? The theatrics and crazy eyes were way too much for a delta force veteran who supposedly is used to killing. The chicken wire and snare was good, but all the crap afterward was just useless.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
The reason that Dual Survival worked in the first place I think is because you had two "common" men, with common man tactics, getting out of hard situations alive. Its something that we could all learn from and take lessons from. This new cat paired with Cody is NOT a common man. Sure, he is an american hero, but guess what; I'm not. And nor are the majority of the shows audience. Dave demonstrated time and time again that he knew what he was talking about and had plenty of experience in survival. Sure he flubbed a bit on his resume' but who hasn't? I will NOT be watching anymore of the 3rd series in Dual Survival. I think I speak for the majority of folks when I say that we didnt even watch the first 2 seasons for Cody. We watched it for Dave. We watched Dave because he at least had the sense to to wear dern boots and long pants in the snow. Nothing he did was useless or a waste of time like Cody. And he certainly didn't have a gigantic ass chip on his shoulder like this new guy. The producers of DS can go F them selves as far as I am concerned.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I think Joe needs to remember that his mission is NOT to go out to kill something, or someone, but rather to teach us how to LIVE to tell the story afterwards. That is what DS was about the first 2 seasons, and I hope it gets back to teaching the common man how to survive in the wild, as the show was meant to be in the first place. Lets not forget what made this show worth watching. A suggestion to Joe.... IMPROVISE, and ADAPT!!!!

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