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Will Dual Survival fans give Joe Teti a chance?

Joe Teti

Just one episode into the new season, many Dual Survival fans are already sounding off with an anti-Joe stance.

They’re back!

Well, at least, Cody Lundin is back; Dave Canterbury is wherever he is, but he’s not back on Discovery Channel’s Dual Survival, much to the dismay of many viewers. And, the tension between Cody and new partner Joe Teti did not help bring viewers around to the new pairing.

There was often conflict between Dave and Cody on the show during the first two seasons—that was part of the fun. But, the conflict was typically good-natured. Last night, the conflict had a different vibe to it—but, does that make it negative, or just new and different?

Long-Term vs. Short-Term

Cody and Dave, while having different ways of getting there, were usually united on their goals. Their focus was typically together: getting to the end alive. Cody and Joe, however, seem to have not only different ways of getting there, they also seem to have different goals for tackling their survival challenges. Cody, a primitive survival and living specialist, looks at the overall picture, and seeks ways to get to the end alive and well. Joe, on the other hand, is a highly trained military specialist. As Discovery has indicated, Teti “is a veteran of both US military and US government special operations units. He is a former Force Recon Marine, Army Special Forces ‘Green Beret,’ and a former operator in a highly classified government counter-terrorist unit.” Watching him last night, it was clear: He does not breakdown his assignments into huge chunks, planning from beginning to end; he looks at the situation and seeks ways to get to the next minute alive—a completely different point of view, and one that perhaps only someone who has been placed in situations where their life is truly, constantly in jeopardy can understand.

Overacting?

Fans have already complained that Joe is “overacting,” but perhaps he is simply relating his training and experience to the situations at hand—something most of us really cannot understand. Yes, his reactions may appear extreme at times—such as when he killed the pig in the one-hour special Dual Survival: Unbraided—but would it not seem MORE surprising that his reactions were NOT extreme, given all of his training and years in the most elite areas of the military? That training is not something that one just throws away when they leave combat, so it doesn’t seem surprising—or unreasonable—that when Joe killed that pig—and, boy, did he kill it—he would have the wild-eyed reaction he did. Most of us have never been in a single situation where we have to be on the lookout for someone literally trying to ambush and kill us; but imagine if that were our daily lives for years on end. Is it unreasonable to think that our training might kick-in in such a violent situation, pig or otherwise, and that perhaps, for a moment, we might find ourselves back in an earlier moment of defending ourselves in a different time in our lives?

Psychology vs. Physiology

Cody and Joe are working together for the first time, and it just makes sense that they are going to hit some bumps in the road. And, when they are coming from such completely different modes of operation, there are going to be a lot of points of discussion, maybe heated, and times to compromise. But, that is the point of Dual Survival, right? Two people with different philosophies working together, even if it means one of them taking a swig of his own pee to get a “psychological edge” at the displeasure of the other, which should be enough to give anyone an idea of the extreme Joe is working from in his methods. And, while both agreed that drinking urine for hydration is not advised, even Cody stated, while still strongly disagreeing with the idea of drinking urine at all, that, “the psychology in many aspects does trump physiology.”

Just a chance?

Viewers are missing Dave, there is no doubt, but Dave is gone from Dual Survival, and he is not coming back anytime in the foreseeable future. Change in any form is difficult, but perhaps if we give Joe a chance to be Joe, we’ll start to see that there is a method to his madness. And, who knows? We might even begin to like him.

Thoughts? Sound off in the comment section below.

Dual Survival airs on Discovery Channel on Tuesday nights at 9/8c.

UPDATED: Did Cody, Joe turn trust-building corner in Hawaii?

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Comments

#1 Joe Teti

If the show was thinking of getting rid of Cody or Joe - definitely get rid of Cody! What a dumb ass! If you have boots, in a survival situation, wear them!!! What is the purpose of walking in the African bush barefoot and what is he trying to prove? He is an idiot! Give Joe his own show and run a new episode nightly!!!!

#2 Joe Teti

If the show was thinking of getting rid of Cody or Joe - definitely get rid of Cody! What a dumb ass! If you have boots, in a survival situation, wear them!!! What is the purpose of walking in the African bush barefoot and what is he trying to prove? He is an idiot! Give Joe his own show and run a new episode nightly!!!!

#3 where is dave?????

This show has gone down the toilet- watched 2 episodes and it is enough for me. Joe is fould mouthed and Cody is rapidly becoming just as bad- Dave and Cody had a good chemistry that made the show entertaining now it is trash- one bleep after another and that gets old- wont let my grandchildren watch it anymore- Shame on you Cody for losing Dave- you had a good thing going and you blew it

#4 where is dave?????

This show has gone down the toilet- watched 2 episodes and it is enough for me. Joe is fould mouthed and Cody is rapidly becoming just as bad- Dave and Cody had a good chemistry that made the show entertaining now it is trash- one bleep after another and that gets old- wont let my grandchildren watch it anymore- Shame on you Cody for losing Dave- you had a good thing going and you blew it

#5 where is dave?????

This show has gone down the toilet- watched 2 episodes and it is enough for me. Joe is fould mouthed and Cody is rapidly becoming just as bad- Dave and Cody had a good chemistry that made the show entertaining now it is trash- one bleep after another and that gets old- wont let my grandchildren watch it anymore- Shame on you Cody for losing Dave- you had a good thing going and you blew it

#6 Joe is not LIKEABLE, NOBODY CARES is he survives

Joe has done NOTHING to endear himself to ANYONE. He is narcissistic and confrontational, and every other word out of his mouth is "I". I don''t know if he has a "short man" complex or what, but his belligerence and uncompromising attitude is the most destructive to survival trait anyone could have. The program is a quickly boring, unending pissing contest between the two for leadership, which is more annoying than entertaining and is pushing your audience to change channels when we see Joe there.

#7 Joe is not LIKEABLE, NOBODY CARES is he survives

Joe has done NOTHING to endear himself to ANYONE. He is narcissistic and confrontational, and every other word out of his mouth is "I". I don''t know if he has a "short man" complex or what, but his belligerence and uncompromising attitude is the most destructive to survival trait anyone could have. The program is a quickly boring, unending pissing contest between the two for leadership, which is more annoying than entertaining and is pushing your audience to change channels when we see Joe there.

#8 Out of Ideas?

My problem with season 3 thus far is not with Joe, per se. I think that the producers are just out of ideas. From what I can tell, Cody doesn't have much new to offer either (how many times can he talk about reverse-wrap two-ply cordage?). Joe may not have anything to offer but whose fault is that? Discovery chose Joe. Cody apparently signed off on Joe. So...if Joe is not likable and no one care is if survives, who is to blame???

Personally, I don't hate season 3 thus far (although I'm left scratching my head A LOT!) if for no other reason than I like "survival shows." However, I think the show has run its course. The problem isn't Joe. The problem is a lack of creativity. For that matter, the problem may be that the survival genre (as much as I hate to say it) is played out. Think about it: Joe isn't keeping Cody from teaching the viewer new survival skills and yet I can't think of anything new this season from Cody. People can blame Joe as much as they like (and I will admit that he's not very likable) but there are bigger issues to consider.

#9 LOL LOL

Both are equally annoying. I personally think Cody Is a lazy ass who would rather sit on his ass and eat leafs and bugs , worms etc. Rather than go after a real food source , at least Joe gets food and so it would seem water also after a long walk up in altitude for the much needed ice all the while Cody continues to complain. Joe is no better , just choose the lesser of 2 evils I guess. he has no real survival skills that Ive seen and refuses to compromise at all. heck I give up. i wont be watching any more

#10 I wont watch anymore, sadly.

It is not that I liked Dave vs Joe but I just cant get over Joe. Sure, he is a trained warrior, clearly the guys a badass but does that mean he has to act the way he does? The boar scene left me speechless - he looked like a jackass. Reading that years of training and being in that life and death situation etc etc? Come on this show is great but they are by no means on the verge of life and death all the time. He simply overacts and looks foolish doing so. Eleven of my friends like this show and have watched since the beginning but so far there is only 3 left since the start of this season. I do not see Teti making it on this show. I am sure hes a good guy, very skilled but hes not what I would expect from this show. Cody rocks btw.

#11 Dual Survial, Season 3

I feel like a fish in a lake with a fisherman constantly throwing his bait in my face trying to get me to bite. In this case, the bait is Joe, and Discovery is the fisherman. Stop trying so hard to make it seem natural. If you have to force it, your doing it all wrong.

#12 Joe Teti

Just love him!

#13 Joe T.

Ever since he went through the Africa episode with his shirt open I've been calling him "Joe Titties!"

#14 Cody's show

I have a hard time believing that the main reason for Dave's dismissal was his resume embellishments. I think that was the excuse. The Maine woods episode revealed Cody to have a huge problem with Dave. His behavior was borderline insane and he seemed to disagree with everything Dave suggested. The useless banging and the burning of the tire and even joking about putting on the brakes while Dave pushed the truck. It seemed like Cody's discontent with not being in charge came to a head. Clearly Cody likes to lecture and reprimand and be the one with the answers. My guess is there was conflict that would probably worsen and Discovery had to choose between Dave and Cody and because Cody is an eccentric one-of-kind naturalist--they chose him thinking Dave would be easier to replace. Whether I like Joe Teti or not isn't the issue--I don't think people are going to learn the practical stay-alive skills they learned from Dave. I don't see how being good with weapons in military combat qualifies you to give the lay person solid practical survival skills. He has already demonstrated his inability to do that by drinking his own pee and butchering a stinking corpse. If they wanted to find someone to make Cody look better, they did. Now he's more puffed up and bossy than ever. Discovery made a mistake in getting rid of Dave, but they should have found someone with more woodsman skills for a replacement. Very disappointed in the direction the show has taken. Not watching anymore.

#15 Cody's show

I have a hard time believing that the main reason for Dave's dismissal was his resume embellishments. I think that was the excuse. The Maine woods episode revealed Cody to have a huge problem with Dave. His behavior was borderline insane and he seemed to disagree with everything Dave suggested. The useless banging and the burning of the tire and even joking about putting on the brakes while Dave pushed the truck. It seemed like Cody's discontent with not being in charge came to a head. Clearly Cody likes to lecture and reprimand and be the one with the answers. My guess is there was conflict that would probably worsen and Discovery had to choose between Dave and Cody and because Cody is an eccentric one-of-kind naturalist--they chose him thinking Dave would be easier to replace. Whether I like Joe Teti or not isn't the issue--I don't think people are going to learn the practical stay-alive skills they learned from Dave. I don't see how being good with weapons in military combat qualifies you to give the lay person solid practical survival skills. He has already demonstrated his inability to do that by drinking his own pee and butchering a stinking corpse. If they wanted to find someone to make Cody look better, they did. Now he's more puffed up and bossy than ever. Discovery made a mistake in getting rid of Dave, but they should have found someone with more woodsman skills for a replacement. Very disappointed in the direction the show has taken. Not watching anymore.

#16 Joe Teti

We love Joe Teti! Please do whatever you have to do to keep him on the show, or give him his own show!!!

#17 Joe Teti

We love Joe Teti! Please do whatever you have to do to keep him on the show, or give him his own show!!!

#18 Joe Teti

We love Joe Teti! Please do whatever you have to do to keep him on the show, or give him his own show!!!

#19 Dave who? Joe Teti is a stud

I love Joe. He's great. I knew he was from Pittsburgh the first time I heard him. He dispatched that wild bore in 5 seconds. I want Joe to grab that bandana off of Cody's head and give him a haircut. We all know he"s as bald as a cue ball. Anyone questioning Joe's bona fides, should tell him in a dark alley....and you won't make it out.

#20 Huh?

Why tell him in a dark ally? Is Joe afraid of the light? Besides, Joe's not bulletproof! He could get the bad end of the situation as well! Listen up, Joe had to audition for Cody, not the other way around, remember? This is what the producers and Cody want for Dual Survival, the character conflict! That's what Cody said in "Unbraided."

#21 Joe Teti

We absolutely love Joe. People are prejudice against him. No one with an open mind could help but love him and what he brings to the show. Not to mention his service to our country. Thanks, Joe!
He's even growing on Cody which doesn't seem easy to do.
I loved this show with Dave and I still love it with Joe. The differing styles is what MAKES the show. Sheesh!

#22 Joe Teti on Dual Survivor

Joe Teti is very smart, way handsome & a total pleasure to look at. Keep him on Dual Survivor. Women definitely need something to look at because Cody just doesn't do it. I will watch Dual Survivor with Joe. Replace Bear Grylls with Joe Teti. Thanks

#23 Really?

Since when did this become about sex appeal? It's a survival show, remember? I will agree, Joe has some nice looking "man-boobs," but his pot belly sort of ruins it. Smart? More of a "smart-ass!" And just look at those muscles on Cody's arms! Oh, and BTW, Discovery fired Bear Grylls sometime back...you need to keep up!

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