Zachery Tims left tough instructions to follow in case of his death

The instructions left by Tims for his church followers, are not easy to complete, as Tims was basically what made up the church and the followers were there because of him.

While Pastor Zachery Tims’ death still remains surrounded by many unanswered questions, it’s revealed that Tims’ left instructions for his church if he should die. While the charismatic pastor was only 42, and his death was untimely, it is surprising that he would leave behind these instructions.

Tims, who was found dead last month in his New York City hotel room, was literally a one man show at the church he founded, New Destiny Church.

The problem with many of these mega-churches is that the charismatic preacher comes first, and the church is built around him, such as in Tims’ case. He was the only pastor in the New Destiny Church, so there was no line of succession when he died.

Tims’ started the church in 1996 and it was the man the church members followed, they joined the church because they were joining Tims. His enthusiastic preaching was what awarded the church the success it experienced through the years. According to the website Ministry Best Practices, the New Destiny Church doesn’t have anyone to take Tims’ place.

With its almost 8,000 followers, many who would crowd into the church on Sunday to hear Zachery Tims’ words from the pulpit, did not have any other preachers. Since it was Tims’ who made the church, what does New Destiny do now? A search for someone to take his place seems impossible; as it is a personality that is priority, other than the experience of preaching.

In case of his death, Tims left instructions that the church “should take 30 days to recover.” On the 31st day after his death, he wanted the church to resume its work. Phil Smith, a California-based church-leadership consultant, says that many of the mega-churches have become too synonymous with one man for the church to survive after his death. Does The New Destiny Church fall into this category?

Shelia Strobal Smith, an author and expert on leadership transition in mega-churches, said that, "There was literally one pastor. For a congregation that size, that is very unusual and for this reason the church is going to have quite a search on their hands."

Smith points out that Paula White, a woman who Tims’ considered his “spiritual mother” was the person who preached the first sermon in the church after Tims’ death, which is an indication that the church had no one from within the congregation ready to step up and take over.

The older main-line churches, even the ones with a fraction of the congregation that the New Destiny Church Boosts, usually has assistant pastors groomed and ready to take over in a case such as this, says Smith.

White told the church members of Tims’ instructions when she did the sermon after his death. While Tims asked that the church get back to normal after 30 days, Smith said that the New Destiny Church could feasibly take five to seven years to actually find the right person to replace Tims.

It is the charismatic personalities that make up many of the mega-churches and unfortunately, a church cannot be built on this alone, there is too much riding on one person. It will be interesting to see how the church proceeds and how long it will take to actually replace Zachery Tims, or if this is even possible.

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Submitted by Please (not verified) on
Until I see instructions in writing.....I will not believe any of this.

Submitted by Please (not verified) on
Until I see instructions in writing.....I will not believe any of this.

Submitted by Please (not verified) on
Until I see instructions in writing.....I will not believe any of this.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Sheez! Even the inferior chinese don't normally do this bad.

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In today's society most churches and 'Christian ministries' are 'built' around the pastor or director. This is why the Church has absolutely zero effect on the society. The Church should and must be 'built' on Christ and the attendees must go to that church to hear what He has to say, not what some man has to say. That is why is it essential that the pastor lives the same kind of life that Jesus lived......When Jesus concluded his address, the crowd burst into applause. They had never heard teaching like this. It was apparent that he was living everything he was saying—quite a contrast to their religion teachers! This was the best teaching they had ever heard. [Mat. 7:28-29] 3 We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4 The man who says, I know him, but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. [1 John 2] Time to wake up America!

Submitted by mrs. davis (not verified) on
amen! The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. Romans 8:19 (NIV)

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
That was a church built in lies.... He was a drug addict that hid behind his bling bling and the pulpit to carry on with his terrible life... He is in hell burning right now... LIAR!!!!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
sure hope God extends the same mercy to you that you are giving here.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
When the pastor becomes out of commission, the members, made up of that pastor's followers will drift away. It is quite likely that as of today, at least half of the people have already gone. When the new pastor comes along (someone who comes in seeking to expand his career), he will bring his own following, and the remaining members will not be happy with his regime and will leave, often leaving a trail of bad-mouthing and rumors behind them. That is how it works in charismatic churches.

Submitted by Savanna Williams (not verified) on
I have heard so much and I won't say what- relating to pastor Tims death; the who's, what's and wherefores. The one thing I can say is, Pastor Tims was honest from the start. He told his life story. He never said he was a "saint." I purchased two of his books thru Amazon and had them sent to my two grandsons in jail. They let other inmates read the books. I live in Atlanta and I watch Pastor Zach everyday he aired on TV. When I learned of his death, I wasn't shocked because I didn't expect him to physically live forever. I was hurt and happy I got a chance to hear him and he use him as an example to my grandsons and young Black men like him. He has already made his mark that can't be erased. I lost a pastor, friend, a mentor, a brother, and a son since I'm sixty and I never met the man. The church should break down and start over. He is a man who can't be replaced. God's word remains the same, but everybody doesn't have a style for delivering it,. Pastor Zach lived the story; he lived the life of the common man, the child in pain, the kind of people Jesus walked among the hurting and the rejected. As far as his infidelity is concerned, "cast the first stone," you holy, righteous who has done no wrong. As far as his drugs are concern, cast the first stone you coffee addicts, cigarettes, aspirin,pill poppers, lying, backbiting, mudslinging, saints who have never done anything wrong. The man fulfilled his mission and it was time to go. We all will leave in a different manner than what we think we should, but leave we will...who can say if it's drugs, gunshots, accidents, lethal injections, etc. As long as there's breath in my body I will make sure the name and teachings of "Zachery Tims" never die.

Submitted by Grace & obedience (not verified) on
Judgement begans at the House of God. Look at what is happening, read the signs. Church people are sheep. Real Christians are descerning the times and are purifying themselves as CHRIST IS, so that they dont run in vain deceiving themselves. Tims was the only leader, how selfless was that, he didnt think anyone could fill his shoes or he didnt want to be accountable. Poor lady i will pray for you & other Followers of Tims.

Submitted by Savanna Williams (not verified) on
I have heard so much and I won't say what- relating to pastor Tims death; the who's, what's and wherefores. The one thing I can say is, Pastor Tims was honest from the start. He told his life story. He never said he was a "saint." I purchased two of his books thru Amazon and had them sent to my two grandsons in jail. They let other inmates read the books. I live in Atlanta and I watch Pastor Zach everyday he aired on TV. When I learned of his death, I wasn't shocked because I didn't expect him to physically live forever. I was hurt and happy I got a chance to hear him and he use him as an example to my grandsons and young Black men like him. He has already made his mark that can't be erased. I lost a pastor, friend, a mentor, a brother, and a son since I'm sixty and I never met the man. The church should break down and start over. He is a man who can't be replaced. God's word remains the same, but everybody doesn't have a style for delivering it,. Pastor Zach lived the story; he lived the life of the common man, the child in pain, the kind of people Jesus walked among the hurting and the rejected. As far as his infidelity is concerned, "cast the first stone," you holy, righteous who has done no wrong. As far as his drugs are concern, cast the first stone you coffee addicts, cigarettes, aspirin,pill poppers, lying, backbiting, mudslinging, saints who have never done anything wrong. The man fulfilled his mission and it was time to go. We all will leave in a different manner than what we think we should, but leave we will...who can say if it's drugs, gunshots, accidents, lethal injections, etc. As long as there's breath in my body I will make sure the name and teachings of "Zachery Tims" never die.

Submitted by Savanna Williams (not verified) on
I have heard so much and I won't say what- relating to pastor Tims death; the who's, what's and wherefores. The one thing I can say is, Pastor Tims was honest from the start. He told his life story. He never said he was a "saint." I purchased two of his books thru Amazon and had them sent to my two grandsons in jail. They let other inmates read the books. I live in Atlanta and I watch Pastor Zach everyday he aired on TV. When I learned of his death, I wasn't shocked because I didn't expect him to physically live forever. I was hurt and happy I got a chance to hear him and to use him as an example to my grandsons and young Black men like him. He has already made his mark that can't be erased. I lost a pastor, friend, a mentor, a brother, and a son since I'm sixty and I never met the man. The church should break down and start over. He is a man who can't be replaced. God's word remains the same, but everybody doesn't have a style for delivering it,. Pastor Zach lived the story; he lived the life of the common man, the child in pain, the kind of people Jesus walked among the hurting and the rejected. As far as his infidelity is concerned, "cast the first stone," you holy, righteous who has done no wrong. As far as his drugs are concern, cast the first stone you coffee addicts, cigarettes, aspirin,pill poppers, lying, backbiting, mudslinging, saints who have never done anything wrong. The man fulfilled his mission and it was time to go. We all will leave in a different manner than what we think we should, but leave we will...who can say if it's drugs, gunshots, accidents, lethal injections, etc. As long as there's breath in my body I will make sure the name and teachings of "Zachery Tims" never die.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Savanna, try with every breath of your body to bring glory and honor to Jesus Christ rather than being sure the name and teachings of some sinner never die. And the way to do that is to make it your top priority to get to know God. When you get to know Him truly you will learn to fear Him and when you fear Him you will hate sin and learn how to avoid it. That's God's words, not mine. Zachery surely did not know God!! He had absolutely no relationship with Him at all. He simply knew how to stir up the emotions of certain people and win their praise. He tickled their ears just like God's word assures us would happen in the last days. One cannot possibly enjoy a meaningful, intimate relationship with a holy God all the while one sins. Loving God is pleasing Him [agape] but sinning is grieving Him so the two cannot possibly be present in any person. Zachery grieved God!!! And you are grieving God by making Zachery more important than Him. Please wake up and read and study God's word, not the teachings of some sinner!

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Savanna, try with every breath of your body to bring glory and honor to Jesus Christ rather than being sure the name and teachings of some sinner never die. And the way to do that is to make it your top priority to get to know God. When you get to know Him truly you will learn to fear Him and when you fear Him you will hate sin and learn how to avoid it. That's God's words, not mine. Zachery surely did not know God!! He had absolutely no relationship with Him at all. He simply knew how to stir up the emotions of certain people and win their praise. He tickled their ears just like God's word assures us would happen in the last days. One cannot possibly enjoy a meaningful, intimate relationship with a holy God all the while one sins. Loving God is pleasing Him [agape] but sinning is grieving Him so the two cannot possibly be present in any person. Zachery grieved God!!! And you are grieving God by making Zachery more important than Him. Please wake up and read and study God's word, not the teachings of some sinner!

Submitted by VD (not verified) on
Enjoyed reading your tribute Pastor Tim and Agree with it total!! I wish we as christian would let God be the judge of Pastor Tim!!! We judge on what we see and hear!! God judge the Heart and he is the only one that knows what were in Pastor Tim Heart!! please Christian ..Let pastor Tim reat in Peace!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I love it Mrs.Savanaa we as people are so quick to cast a stone and forgetting about our wrong cause we all fall short I feel he was great man but hurt and torn the both of them can take us to a place we never thought we would be so until you walk in a person shoes don't be so quick to put them in hell , our sins are covered those of us who are in Christ stay bless one love

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
The bible I read tells me that in Christ there is no sin, so if I live in Him then I don't, and cannot sin!!! And where do you get that nonsense that all your sins are covered?? Why don;t you read God's word and understand it. Start with Romans six and take it from there. No wonder this country is going to hell in a hand basket. As goes the Church, so goes the country!

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Dilusional and anybody who agree's with you-Pastor Ztims It would be nice 2 hv Jesus here in the flesh Id surely ask him to raise you back up! you will b possibly impossible 2 replace i wz drawn to ur ministering style and energy now my drive 2 look at tv evangilism has ceased there could only be one"You" to the Hypocrites who magnify the negative and nt the positive-waste ur energy on killing urself instead of trying to kill others through your poisonous words.Only a fool would believe in human flesh you can live sin free-u couldnt even hv a mature convo with someone like me bcuz your OFF-Fool Your Sinning NOW! false witness"hello" thats a no no. None of u snakes hv actual proof and if you did God's child doesnt backbite they Pray.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Dilusional and anybody who agree's with you-Pastor Ztims It would be nice 2 hv Jesus here in the flesh Id surely ask him to raise you back up! you will b possibly impossible 2 replace i wz drawn to ur ministering style and energy now my drive 2 look at tv evangilism has ceased there could only be one"You" to the Hypocrites who magnify the negative and nt the positive-waste ur energy on killing urself instead of trying to kill others through your poisonous words.Only a fool would believe in human flesh you can live sin free-u couldnt even hv a mature convo with someone like me bcuz your OFF-Fool Your Sinning NOW! false witness"hello" thats a no no. None of u snakes hv actual proof and if you did God's child doesnt backbite they Pray.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Thank you for your commentary my Sister! It is amazing how "tolerant" of sin the church has become. As long as you're "nice," have a good "presentation/performance" and help the community, THEY give you a "get out of hell free card." ...but wait, not so fast. As "wonderful" as these things are, these things alone do not pass God's smell test. He APPARENTLY is not as impressed with "wonderful works" as the 21st century church has become. It is crystal clear in Matt. 7:22-23, 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied IN THY NAME? and IN THY NAME have cast out devils? and IN THY NAME done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (bold text for emphasis). Look at Matt. 7:13-14 It's the "wide gaters" and the "broad way people" that call sin righteousness, and sadly, in these days, they call righteousness sin. My hope and prayer to God is that, as more of God's Holy Word is revealed in these END TIMES, the scales would continue to fall off of the spiritual eyes of BLIND people who TRULY need to seek CHRIST. Not a building, not a person, not rituals and ceremonies, but JESUS CHRIST - SON OF THE TRUE AND LIVING GOD!!!! Zachery Tims, as well as all of the remaining "renowned voices," you, me, your mother..."For we must ALL appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad." 2Cor. 5:10

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Thx for this great information that you are sharing with us!!!

Submitted by Curious (not verified) on
Can someone tell me what the bible says about women preaches or women pastors in the church?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
There are two places where Paul teaches clearly that women should not be pastors or preachers. one is found in 1 Cor. 14. 33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace—as in all the congregations of the Lord’s people. 34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. The other is in 1 Timothy 2...11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man: she must be quiet. Many 'scholars' and bible teachers will tell you that Paul was not referring to the Church in our time, but there is absolutely nothing in scripture to back that argument up. The bible must be accepted as the absolute authority when it comes to life as a believer, and it must be relevant to all ages. That is the only way to be sure you are getting the truth. Once somebody starts chopping up or discarding parts of the bible to suit their ideology or doctrinal stance, then it is no longer the authority, and that one will answer to God on that great and awful day. God bless you.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
There are two places where Paul teaches clearly that women should not be pastors or preachers. one is found in 1 Cor. 14. 33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace—as in all the congregations of the Lord’s people. 34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. The other is in 1 Timothy 2...11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man: she must be quiet. Many 'scholars' and bible teachers will tell you that Paul was not referring to the Church in our time, but there is absolutely nothing in scripture to back that argument up. The bible must be accepted as the absolute authority when it comes to life as a believer, and it must be relevant to all ages. That is the only way to be sure you are getting the truth. Once somebody starts chopping up or discarding parts of the bible to suit their ideology or doctrinal stance, then it is no longer the authority, and that one will answer to God on that great and awful day. God bless you.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
sorry about the double posts here. I have no idea why that happens. I will see if this one gets posted just the once. lol

Submitted by Curious (not verified) on
Thank you for the information.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I find truth in all comments but not the whole truth. Yes Mr. Tims did help and save alot of people...The bible teaches us that when the salt looses it flavor it is of no more good but it can still save people. That's why it's important to trust nothing and NOBODY but the word of God and know it for yourself to rightfully discern truth. WE DON'T KNOW NOR IS IT ANY OF OUR BUSINESS WHO IS SAVED AND WHO IS NOT. "Judge Ye Not" but judge what is truth and do what the word says do about it. We are all sinners and fall short and Tims was no different, however leaders are placed on pedestals as if they live perfect life. As a leader, the book of Timothy teaches leaders are held at a higher standard than others. The word says they are to be blameless. If they are not able to live up to that standard they should not take the job. They should HAVE THE FEAR OF GOD IN THEM and not go before his people in a spirit other than the Spirit of God. It is not people who will punish them it is God who does it. Leaders should sit down when going thru trials and issues until they overcome. They don't have to tell the congregation but held accountable by people who they are accountable to. Mr. Tims death was used by God for better or worse. EVENTS LIKE THIS GIVE CHRISTIANITY A BAD REPUTATION, AND HURTS US ALL! SIT DOWN AND CLEAN YOURSELF UP BEFORE GOD EXPOSES YOUR MESS FOR THE WORLD TO SEE!

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Jesus: The Rapist and The Murderer While Black Americans have been officially freed from sanctioned physical slavery for approximately 150 years, most are still bound as mental slaves to a form of religious thinking and worship unbeknownst to the first of their ancestors brought to America in chains . This religion and it's accompaning murderer- Jesus, together formed the mental side of the enslavement of the Negro. It is a religion of death and not life; one whos grip upon the minds of Black people has not be severed by any proclamation of freedom or self dismissal- even to this day. For within it lies the fear that a Negro could being condemned by God to a Hell that is worst than slavery. Such fear created a Negro who gives "thanks in an abundance" for any situation encountered in life...even a dismal, pathetic existence followed by death. Such Negroes- still alive today- form the basis of the modern Black Church. The exception: the educated Preacher- who knows that a true fear of Hell has no real basis in the theology of a God who "loves" us. For any God that would claim to be our father and would claim to love his children- only to set them afire at a later date, is Satanic. Seminary trained preachers know this. They just don't tell you that. Seminarians learn this as "...a God who is Lord and not father is Demonic...".See Tillich. What our educated preachers will not teach is freedom. If they did, then the true nature of Jesus- as the rapist and murderer- would have to come forth. Instead, they teach what is known as Transitional Theology, sometimes referred to also as Systematic Translational Theology. In this theology the demonic Jesus is white washed into a historical Jesus of archaeological and anthropological consideration- emerging as the "Son of God" and some "Prince of Peace". This is Demonic Theology, and is the exact reason that the grip of mental slavery and the view of the Bible as inerrant has remained intact and a lie of religion, respectively. Should anyone ever have the opportunity to peruse the "Sacred" libraries of the Vatican, you would find the above theology- along with the "Order of Lucifer" held sacred and in a special, sanctioned place. So let us now present who "Jesus" really is. Afterwhich, you will hopefully re-crucify him... and come to understand God. Lastly, any Priest, Prophet, Rabbi, Shaman, or Holyman who stands against this word will perish by sudden and untimely death. Sort of like Dr. Tims. The physical and mental picture that our parents may have thought was of Jesus, may not have been one of any good and biblical Jesus of Nazareth, but instead was one of a slave owner's son- Jesus Santiago Cristus-Reyes- whose was brutally hacked to death and eaten by 10 field slaves- in obedience to the African Ritual that binds the condemned spirit(s) of demons; all as retribution for Reyes' vile rape and murder of a 9 year old slave girl named Mozel. Since Master Reyes' slaves were all considered upstanding and trustworthy, they were never suspected of this so called atrocity- as it was surmised that this "poor Jesus" had been attacked and partially eaten by a bear, with bits of his remaining carcass scavenged by smaller wild animals... and pigs. The lost of his "perfect and only son" so grieved Master Reyes, that prior to the finding of his son's scrap-meat carcass, all slaves in the region were ordered to pray for the return of Jesus Reyes everyday. Hence, what began as a mandate or rule for area slaves, soon became a ritualistic tradition of praying for the return of this Jesus Reyes- or "Jesus King". In time, slaves would somehow come to reversing the name to 'King Jesus'. And, in the process, slaves who sought to be "more learned" among their slave brothers and sisters, would include the full name- pronouncing Santiago as Santyer, Santior or Saint; and eventually as "Savior" or Savior Jesus King". Since slaves who prayed the hardest- and openly claimed to keep "King Jesus" in their hearts- were treated less harshly by slave owners, it became common practice among slaves to also teach their children to openly pray for this Jesus' return. Within the span of 150 years, now near the time George Washington became the first U.S. President, the continued practice by slaves of keeping "Jesus the rapist and murderer" in their hearts- as well as praying for his return - had become as much a part of slavery as was slave labor. This was around 1740, and by then few slaves- if any- had tangible knowledge about the demonic nature of the "Jesus" they had now come to know. Because of this loss of knowledge, slaves began to mistakenly associate the Murderer Jesus, as one who's real origin must be "of the slave master's good book." Jesus was no longer the true Satanic murderer known to their enslaved ancestors. And by 1770, Jesus was easily considered by slaves as "one who was good, one who was able to save the slave from the torments of life"; and not the true tormentor that he was. In essence, the murderer and rapist "Jesus" had been "White-washed of his Sin" ...and was now the new "Savior King Jesus" of the Negro slave. Slave owners seized upon this, using printed versions of "Bibles" that twisted and rewrote scriptures in their favor. The worst of which was the King James Version. Slave owners even used various pictures and drawings of other bearded slave owners or their sons- as proof to the slave of the likeness of this Jesus to the slave owner.* Slaves were then taught from these twisted scriptures: learning that it was biblical to "obey their lord and their master"; to "love" their enemy- even those who spitefully used them. Lastly, slaves were taught to anxiously await the return of "Jesus". Slave women were taught that if "Jesus" was to come, he would come "knocking" in the darkest hours- with the glow of a lamp near his face- and that they were to immediately 'harken to his voice', let him in... and submit themselves unto him. Worst of all, slave women were ordered- under the threat of being whipped to death or near death- to teach their children [male and female] to "love and to also submit" to any need of "Jesus". A sad and sadistic chapter of slave history would now chronicle how the incessant rape of slave women and slave children followed. For some slave women, and their daughters as young as five- "Jesus" came knocking as many as thirty times a night; with each "new lamp lit face" referring to himself as either Jesus, "another" Jesus, "the other" Jesus, or the "true" Jesus. Such slave women and children- having been ravaged and decimated by venereal diseases, injury, unknown infections and what has now been shown to be various forms of animal tuberculosis and mycobacteria avium- were reduced to "[ones] with a babbling voice, staggering gait, and a trembling hand delirium ; many crying 'Master Jesus'... all whilst bleeding... or dripping of feces uncontrollably." Such slave women and children, having been raped to insanity and near death, were usually finished off quickly; being either clubbed to death- or poisoned under the ruse of being medicated. Some were buried( in lime) by slaves, while others were tossed into swamps and rivers- so as to prevent "contamination of healthy slave stock"... "and to accustom the alligator to the taste of the nigger... should any slave seek the waters as a means of escape." Because the loss of any slave represented a loss of wealth and potential income, many slave owners instituted new rules governing which slave women should "serve Jesus" ( i.e. be raped) , and which slave women should be mostly left alone. Slave women spared from the horror of repeated rape often shouted the phrase "thank you, Jesus", in the hope that it would appease the so called slave masters; also teaching their children to say the same. Still, all were raped at sometime or another. And the rape of young slave girls continued unabated. For African Americans today, the ritualistic slave practice of praying for the return of "Jesus", and the sadistic slave/master practice of submitting ones self to "Jesus", are now rooted in the theological pedagogy of worship.. One would think that by now, those who engage in these practices should have come to know who this demonic "Jesus" really was... and is... in their lives and the lives of their African ancestors. However, many defend this modernized slave ritual, now considered religious, by insisting that they essentially are giving themselves to the other Jesus, another Jesus, or even the true Jesus King. Most remain unaware that they defend their beliefs with the same words used by the 30 times a night rapist slave masters : arguably one more indication of the bond that slavery and White-washed religion still has upon Black people . The babbling voice, the staggering gait; even the trembling hand delirium of abused slave women and children- all remain as integrated traits of today's modernized Christian religion: with each above infliction having been white-washed, renamed and reclaimed without blemish by Black folk. Today, these same injuries caused by slave rape are renamed as "talking in tongues" ... "dancing in the Holy Ghost"...getting filled with the spirit(i.e. being raped)...and being made "White" as snow ( i.e. buried in lime or glorification). The act known as Baptism is the renamed death inflicted when the bodies of abused slave women and children were tossed into the waters as alligator meat- thus experiencing a "new life" unknown to others. Hence, the murderer of black people, Jesus Santiago Cristus-Reyes or Jesus Christ King , has returned- whitewashed- as the Savior of our ancestors childrens children. For which the modern negro proudly asserts his or her desire to be as "a slave to Jesus" - that is to say, be raped. This even explains the mindset of the active church homosexual. This modernized form of rape is psychological and spiritual, although sometimes physical; and with the exception of children- it is mostly voluntary. Often it is referred to as an intimate relationship with the "master" or as being a "slave" to Jesus. It is a mindset that climaxes with being "filled with the Holy Ghost"- meaning born again as White- followed by death and reunification with this Jesus for some more of the same bullshit. This is why the 10 slaves ate the murderer Jesus: to free the spirit of Mozel from a demonic death. Today, black folk still practice eating Jesus. They call it communion. Most do not realize that this is part of an African spiritual ritual that continually condemns any demonic presence by binding the spirit of demons to a place set forth by Yah. A place we now call Hell. This practice too, has been "white-washed." Additionally insane is the fact that many African Americans, having continued in the slave ritual of praying for the return of the rapist and murderer "Jesus King," have now elevated him to the status of God. Jesus King, now becomes ever present within them; continuing in the psychological rape and murder of each and every one of them. And, because many teach this "love of Jesus" to their children, he also rapes the children too for "life"- less they escape the simple minded ignorance of their white Jesus parents. "Jesus King" or "King Jesus" even insures himself of future victims by employing the twisted scripture of the slave master: admonishing all simple minded parents not to keep your children from coming to him. Why? Because- according to his words- they are just like "King" heaven to him. Somehow, I bet they are.This explains why some Preachers rape children in their Church- or fault the child while turning a blind eye to it. Lastly, many well educated African Americans invoke another even eerier prayer taken from the slave master's Bible: one of letting the mind of this "Jesus" be also in them. As a consequence, they fail to understand why many among their Pastorate- who pride themselves in being like-minded to Jesus- also rape children in as much vile and demonic passion as did Jesus and the slave masters. And according to their own words: "we are slaves to Jesus." Certainly, with this understanding, the presence of this "Jesus" anywhere on earth- or in heaven- is reason enough to crucify him all over again. Then eat him or leave him for consumption by wild animals. Another level of insanity within the practicing of religion by modern Black Folk is the "white-washed" African ritual- now called communion. For if the "Jesus" of today is in fact another Jesus or "some other' Jesus- who is God, His son, or of God- and is all sustaining, then to "eat of his body" and "drink of his blood" at the beginning of each month. ... and have to eat government cheese and use food stamps the rest of the month....speaks to the foolishness and stupidity of religion among African Americans today. Growing up, I learned to "eat Jesus" once a month. However symbolic, he was still a " hacked up white cracker." Sort of like what the 10 slaves partook of in their ritualistic freeing of the spirit of Mozel from an eternal Hell. Hmmm. Still, it seems that this religion has white-washed everything- including Micheal Jackson. Black families have even prayed that this "Jesus" guide the hand and heart of President Obama: even that he( Jesus) "bless" the food that the Obama's eat. With that kind of praying, it's a wonder that the President hasn't died in office already.Is there Hope? Well, there is always hope as long as their is life, vision, and God- all by himself.

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@ NO 20 AND 21 Yes those scriptures are there but are you placing them in time and place it was written? Women had no rights during the era, and the women were causing problems by speaking out in church and was told to wait til they get home and ask their husbands, because finally women had been given the right to read the bible. Deborah was a Judge in the old testament and God used Phoebe to lead in the new testament! Im all for men taking their place in the body of Christ as the head but what do you do when almost 50% of the population is single women head of household. Women are seeking God but come to church to be manipulated, used, abused, raped and deceived by Male Leaders! (NOT ALL BUT ALOT, BUT BY THE TIME THESE WOMEN DISCOVER WHO THEY ARE IT'S TO LATE, AND THE CHURCH COVERS THE FILTY LIFESTYLE OF DIRTY LEADERS) Women don't want to be men but are hurting whether it's ommission or comission. It is our nature by the curse of Eve to serve men according to Gen. 3:16 (You will desire shall be for your husband and he will rule over you) but what do you do when the family in our age is failing! Seems to me we have a bigger problem than Women preachers we have a Society, Social, Spirtual problem that is bigger than Women preachers! WE SHOULD READ THE MORE THAN ONE PASSAGE TO GET UNDERSTAND AND YOU CAN'T SQUEEZE JUICE FROM A TURNIP!

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So if the bible is the inspired word of God, are you trying to tell me that God inspired Paul and others to write stuff that would not be relevant for those of us who live in the 21st century? The God I love, serve and worship is far more intelligent than that, and He gave us a manual for living that is never outdated or complicated so that we are confused or deceived. I have not blamed the Church's total lack of credibility on women preachers. That is hardly a problem compared with the real problem with the Church today. The previous post stated, 'we are all sinners' and that is the underlying cause for the Church being so useless today. Never does God call us sinners in His word, once we belong to Him. We are saints, not sinners, and His manual for life explains clearly how to live like saints, but 'Christians' of today have been deceived into believing that they will always be sinners [saved by grace or any other kind] and rely on God's grace to cover those sins. That is never taught in God's word. He has given His children everything they need to live godly lives and a way of escape from every temptation, so why don't we believe those facts? Yes, we are commanded to live holy, upright, blameless, pure, righteous and Christ-like lives, but the 'Christians' of today believe that is impossible, so they continue to sin and rely on God's grace to make them feel better about their disobedience [sin]. Time to wake up folks. Read Mat. 1:21 and see why Jesus came to this planet. Then read John 8:31-35, and then read Rom. 6:6, 7 and tell me that God expects us to continue to sin when we are His children. He wants to free us from sin and according to 2 Pet 1:3 we have been given everything we need to accomplish that, but it is through our knowledge of Him that it is possible, and we are not taught that the greatest thing anybody can do while they inhabit their shell of clay is to get t to know God. Time the Church began to teach the truth as written clearly in God's word. Where did I ever say anything about 'squeezing juice from turnips'? lol. And by the way, Tims never saved a single soul. He cannot do such a thing and neither can any other person living today. Jesus saves people!!! Period. And Tims had no clue as to how to help himself let alone anybody else so how did he help others? He deceived thousands and has been held accountable for that. God's word clearly warns us of his kind and solemnly states what their end will be. Wake up Church!!

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Oh and by the way, how can salt that has lost it's flavor and been made useless, still help others?????????? Useless means useless according to the dictionary I looked up. Amazing what people can bring themselves to believe and state as truth.

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An arrest is pending related to the death of Dr. Tims. I wish that I could speak more about it, but let it suffice to say that a connection has been made to persons of interest in the Baltimore area.

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I didn't say that the bible changed for the 21 century. I only stated the condition of our society today and a word said 2000 years ago may mean something totally different today. You can not take one bible verse and make truth out of it's meaning. You have to put it in the correct context. Taking all related subjects and value them to find truth. Women leaders have been along time issue so why not take all related scriptures and evaluate them to determine the true meaning. If you do that you will come up with a problem with your believe on the issue. CLEARLY SAYING WE HAVE A 21 CENTURY PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO GOD...

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fyi #26 ROMANS 3:10 SAY NO ONE IS RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE! This simply says that we all for short of the glory of God and no one is above sin but Jesus. He was the only sinnless person that walked this earth we are righteous, therefore Jesus is the only person without sin. 1 John 1:10 says if we claim we have not sinned we are a liar. No we don't have to continue sinning but that is when we call on the Righteous One......it is not wise to think that we are above sinning, but it is wise to keep watch so that you do not fall into temptation. Therefore Tims as well as all are capable of falling into sin because it's our nature and the fact that we all have sinned makes us sinners. JESUS WHO NEVER SINNED SHED HIS BLOOD SO WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO BREAK STRONGHOLDS AND BE FORGIVEN BUT IT IS A CHOICE! Tims made a choice not he has to stand before the judge alone!

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Once again, a scripture is taken completely out of context! Paul is quoting a passage in the old testament here. The passage in the OT was from a prophet who was grieving over the state of the Jews who were continually disobeying God, and therefore grieving Him. It is not a statement about anybody else. Yes every person who has lived beyond the time of understanding of right and wrong has sinned. That does not mean we should continue to sin once we have denied our self, taken up our cross and followed Jesus. Then you say we don't have to continue sinning!!! You contradict yourself here. And it is not in the nature of a child of God to sin at all. Those who truly follow Jesus have a divine nature, not a sinful nature, so it is definitely 'in their nature' not to sin! When we were without Christ, we were all sinners.....true. But once in the family of God, we become saints! Huge difference, Try to believe what the bible says, rather than what some man has said. Once again...huge difference. We have been given a way of escape from EVERY temptation!!! Your choice, and your obligation, is to take that escape route! In fact you have been commanded to live without sin, so how can anyone try to dispute that, and use God;'s word to do so? That in itself in insane. I have given you scriptures that clearly show this to be so. Please do not throw out the parts of the bible that you don't like. John also stated in his letter to those folks that he was writing to them so that they would not sin! "We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin" 1 Jn 5:18 "no one who continues to sin has either seen Him or known Him" 1 Jn 3:6 "For everyone born of God overcomes the world" 1 Jn. 5:4 "Whoever claims to live in Him must walk as Jesus did" 1 Jn 2:6 Scripture is so very clear about this matter that we are without excuse for sin once we belong to Him. Trouble is the Church does not teach the truth any longer. We are told that we can say some silly little prayer [the sinner's prayer] and be given some fire insurance policy for eternity as a result. The bible does not teach that in any way shape or form. In fact it states clearly and over and over again that it is only those who obey God who will escape hell's fire. You make such a big thing of 'CHOICE', so why don't you choose to believe His word and obey Him? If you don't, you will end up in hell! Serious stuff my friend.

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There is NOT one person alive today that can speak to the "truth" of the Bible- Unless they say it is NOT any word of God. If you believe in it , it is only because you were taught that way as a child growing up or as an adult who got overwhelmed in life. If the Bible allows for this country to murder others in revenge, then the concept and conception of any Jesus is mute. A man that supposedly spent 33 years on earth and never got tightened up; hung out only with dudes, got ghost; said he was coming back, and ain't been seen since, is a liar- and the truth ain't in him. And, if this Jesus does show up, it is our duty as Gods people to crucify him all over again . The concept that this Jesus creature is omnipotent, omnipresent, and all knowing has to be redefined in terms that are in the positive interest and earthly benefit of Black people, or else discarded once and for all. If Jesus has all power, then why is it that many Black people who posess him, and drink of his blood and eat of his body at the start of each month, have to eat off food stamps the rest of the month- while the preacher drives a Rolls Royce and pays strippers. Didn't Jesus know they would be hungry later when they was eating on him? Or did he think that a "white cracker"( symbolic of him) and a shot of grape juice was all a nigga needed? If we had ate the "white cracker" 450 years ago, we wouldn't be dealing with this nonsense. Instead, many of our parents hung this white cracker's picture on the wall, and taught their children to "believe in him" as God. Certainly, this can now be seen as a mistake of inescapable concern And for preachers not unlike Dr.Tims and T.D. Jakes, and Bishop Eddie Long- who would claim this monthly communion as just "symbolic"- consider this: What if we gave you "symbolic" money( i.e. photocopied dollars) to match your "symbolic" blood and crackers. My bet is that every mega church pastor would condemn us to hell; that is to say they would try to condemn us to what we are already living in- and they are not. Symbols, signs, and "wonders" helped many a slave escape to freedom. Today, they re-enslave and cause the mental death of black people by keeping them stuck on stupid in the same way a pimple is stuck on an adolescent's face. And like that pimple, the mind's of black people today must become unclogged and sanitized of the filth of backward religion and it's teachers. Think about it. Why didn't Eddie Long try to "symbolically" fuck Jesus in the ass, instead of trying to enter those teenage boys? Doesn't he(Long) claim to love Jesus more than anyone else? Did Long not say that his relationship with Jesus was intimate? Didn't Jesus "come" inside of him? And, if Jesus was not " all he needed" then is Bishop Long inferring that Jesus assigned those teenage boys to him? What kind of Jesus would give such a literal ass-ignment? The answer can only be a Demonic Jesus. And, if it is argued that it was not Jesus but Satan who caused Long to sodomize and to suck, then Eddie Long follows of Satan. Either way, the homology of Bishop Long cannot be separated from the structure of his teachings or the structure of his church. Now, let's continue along these lines with respect to Dr. Tims. Why didn't Dr. Zachary Tims ' ...taste the Lord and find that He is good...' instead of tasting the pussy of a stripper? Is not the "shedded" blood of Jesus more powerful than the shedded blood of vaginal menses? Secondly, did Dr. Tim's think that smoke or coke rising in to his nostrils was... a sacifice unto God...for a sweet smelling aroma? Without ambiguity, I am sure Dr. Tims 'talked in tongues' as he folded his tent like the Arab...and as silently slipped away. The question here is did God listen to any groanings...that cannot be uttered? Sadly, logic says that God did not hear him. On the other hand, the theologic says, well...yeah...even inspite of his transgressions. Yet, and for many among us, some questions have not been answered. They never will. And as long as sudden and untimely death, multi million dollar settlements, and " fresh vegetables" still sit waiting for "rotten fruits" to preach, the black church will remain in darkness... and without holiness. When I was stationed in Texas, there was a church called Praise Tabernacle- then later called the R.O.C.K.. Based solely upon what has happened there- and under their #2 pastor's watch, this R.O.C.K. is just an acronymn for Raping Our Church Kids. Should their #1 leader be ultimately responsible? According to the Bible, yes. Especially if one understands the 1st Samuel Chapter 1:25 and 1Samuel Chapter 2, verses 12,17, and 25. This case, as with Dr. Tims, will certainly show whether God is Mocked or not. The so-called Minister who was raping the 15 year old girl, disappeared in a Mercedes that used to be..... Cover ups and pay-offs. Practically everywhere, the Church is full of filthy leadership, homosexual activity, or pastors who demand and justify the ass-penetration of their wifes as a Godly mandate. No wonder rapes, murders, incest, and everything taught against by their own preaching, occurs in the sanctuary. They seem to be condemned by their own mouths. Many pastors relish pornography and deviant sex- inside and outside of their marriage- all while preaching against it . We call such activities orgies and escapades. On the otherhand, Preachers call them conferences... and tell participants to get ready...get ready...get ready. Ready for some homosexual's ass!?

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Response To: There Is Not One Person Alive Thank you for freely speaking and making some well taken points. You do not bite your tongue in the least. I like the "symbolic money" analysis. I am just curious as to what turned you from the bible as you seem to be well versed in scripture?

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Yeah a conversation with you wold be difficult I admit, but it most assuredly would not cause me anything but deep grief. All I have done is quote God's word, so it is not me you are judging here but God. It is not in human flesh that I exist any longer, but I now, like Paul, live in Christ ,and if you were to read your bible you would see that 'in Christ there is no sin' 'in Him there is no darkness'. You are so sadly typical of those who refuse to hear the truth. Your rant could easily be called worse then backbiting, but I will not describe it for what it is. I never offer helpful advice without proof, so you are way off there as well. You need help my friend. And people like Tims could never offer it to you because he needed help even more than you do. God's word is proof enough for anyone who truly desires the truth. Just read John 8:31-37 for starters. May God graciously open your blinded eyes and set you free real soon.

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no real insight to instructions Tims left as the title implies

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