The Death Of Zachery Tims: Relapse Or Rush To Judge?

Questions swirl around the circumstances of the death of Florida megachurch pastor Zachery Tims, much of it fueled by speculation. But it is the unanswered questions from the investigation that have people wondering whether the relatively young minister had a relapse with his addiction or if he died clean and sober.

The public loves a scandal, even where one does not exist. The curious provide a market for the imaginative and the more creative within the media are all too often eager to fill the void. In the death of Florida pastor Zachery Tims, who died in New York on August 12, that creativity has driven speculation that the Reverend may have died of a drug overdose or that a relapse back into his former addiction may have in some way caused his untimely death.

The Rev. Tims was found by a hotel worker when they entered his hotel room, which sources told the Wall Street Journal he was supposed to have vacated the previous day. Unidentified law enforcement sources told the Journal and the New York Daily News that a glassine envelope containing a white powdery substance had been found in a pocket on Tims' unresponsive body. Those and other media sources provided the genesis of further conjecture that the pastor might have died the victim of a drug overdose.

According to the Christian Post, the New Destiny Christian Center, which Tims co-founded with his former wife, Riva, in 1996, called a special meeting of the congregation to address the "rumors" of drugs being involved in the death of the popular pastor. As the Post noted, some, including those who were close to Tims as head of the megachurch, have been calling for a cautious appraisal of the situation. Others seem to be willing to entertain the opinion that the death of the pastor was just another sad story in a long line of fallen megachurch preachers over the years.

Although it is known that the 42-year-old Tims was once an addict and given to a life of criminal activity, information he freely disclosed on the New Direction website and in his memoir, before his conversion to Christianity, there reportedly as yet have been no indications from friends and family members that the Reverend may have had a relapse. Given the pressures of running a 8,000-member megachurch and the recent personal troubles associated with divorce and its concomitant legal worries, there seems to have existed an atmosphere that might have fostered conditions favorable toward a relapse.

It is still unknown what was in the glassine envelope as well. Authorities are testing the contents to identify the powdered substance.

It is also unknown, even if the substance in the envelope ultimately is revealed to be some form of drug, if Rev. Tims was actually taking or using it. The New York Medical Examiner reported that the cause of death could not be determined and that a ruling could be possible when toxicology test results, which would indicate if there were chemicals in Tims' body, became available. The tests and the medical examiner's final autopsy report will take several weeks to conclude.

In summation: All factors associated in the death of Rev. Tims remain circumstantial and as yet provide no way to empirically conclude why or how he died.

Except via extrapolation, conjecture, and speculation -- and perhaps a need to make a judgment on character, a judgment based on nothing truly factual but fostered by the strange need of some to see the successful fail, the mighty fall. And given the list of fallen famous church leaders, from PTL Club televangelist Jim Bakker to Atlanta megachurch leader Bishop Eddie Long, the supposition would seem to have precedent. But such thinking denies that each religious leader's case stands alone due to the individual(s) involved and the personal and situational circumstances that comprise it.

Investigators were looking into Rev. Tims' schedule and reviewing surveillance footage to see if he may have been traveling with someone. The pastor was found on Friday, August 12, but he was supposed to have left for Texas the day before. Although detectives originally believed he was alone in New York, rumors have led the investigation to look into the possibility that the pastor may not have been alone or even died alone. Authorities have also requested Tims' cell phone records.

WFTV in Orlando spoke with Orlando Pastor Randolph Bracy about Zachery Tims' untimely death and although he remained noncommittal on the reports out of New York, he observed the one thing he did know: "... sooner or later the truth will come out."

Known to be close with Tims, Bracy was asked if he thought that the pastor may have had a relapse.

"All of us can have a relapse," Bracy noted. "None of us are exempt. I'm not going to judge."

He added that Tims' should be remembered for all the good he accomplished as the pastor at New Destiny Christian Center for 15 years. In that time, he built a congregation of 6 people to nearly 8,000, built a youth center, and was involved in many charitable outreach programs, including giving away toys at Christmas.

The investigation into the pastor's death remained ongoing as of the weekend of his funeral. Thousands attended the public viewing at the pastor's megachurch Friday. The funeral and procession that followed on Saturday, held at the First Baptist Church of Orando, were witnessed by thousands as well.

(photo credit: Utente: Tinette, Wikimedia Commons)

Comments

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
First of all the Christian Community shoud be applauded for their support for New Destiny as well as the Family. While most may be premature in their conclusions of cause of death, what shocked me the most when it was first announced was that two days had already passed before the Public was informed. The News broke for Texans August 14th, via Roland Martin on the Internet and an announcement @ the Potters House that morning. Normally, celebrity status deaths are reported asap. That's what made some suspicious...and then came the news a day or so later about the alleged drugs. He was suppose to be in Dallas for the Manpower Conferance that Thursday. Hard to believe nobody checked to find his where abouts until 6p.m. Friday ? And no one has conclusively said where or why he was in New York. He will be fondly missed by many . Blessings to his wife Riva and children....a long healing road ahead.

Submitted by VerySadSituation (not verified) on
Very sad situation all around. From out here in TV-audience-land, he seemed like such a personable, friendly, likeable, handsome young man. He was on TBN 7/12, exactly one month before his death (though I read the past few days that TBN, Jan Crouch specifically, had fired him "recently" as TBN felt something was amiss, & that Tims put up a fuss about it. If any of that is true, it must have occurred subsequent to his hosting TBN-PTL on 7/12/11). I wondered if the humiliation from being fired, combined with the Puerto Rico vacation with Riva & the kids the week before his death, may have put him into a depression(?) Several have reported on his speaking at a Boston church, "the last church he preached at before his death," & that he was on fire for the Lord, ie, a great sermon. But I have yet to see a DATE for that Boston speaking engagement. If it was just prior to his death (between the Puerto Rico vacation & heading to Texas Manpower Conference), that could explain a stopover in NY since Boston is approx. 225 miles from NYC, or about a 4-hr. drive. As for the "suspicions," agree: •When one of their guest speakers doesn't show up on Thurs. 8/11 as planned, the Manpower Conference staff surely began calling Tims' home, church, secretary, his cell, etc. that very same day 8/11/11.   •Tims' local Florida staff, in turn, no doubt, then began calling Tims' cell, etc.  •If Tims' Florida church & staff KNEW he was supposed to be in Texas 8/11 per his itinerary, they possibly did not know he took a sideline stop to NY instead. •If Tims' Florida staff DID know Tims' had planned a NY trip BEFORE going to Texas, then they WOULD HAVE known WHERE he was staying in NY. •And if they DID know where Tims was staying in NY, they surely WOULD have begun calling his cell & the W Hotel staff 8/11 when Tims did not show up in Texas that same day. •Therefore, it makes no sense that the Hotel staff did not go to Tims' room until a day later, not UNTIL Fri. EVENING 8/12 at 6pm! •Since Tims did not leave NY on 8/11 as he was reportedly supposed to, isn't it feasible he may have died 8/11 rather than 8/12?  •Or was he just not answering his phone when, surely, either Texas &/or Florida staff began calling him on 8/11 to determine why he was not in Texas by 8/11?) As for why Tims' was in NY, I have read the following over the past few days: •To attend a preseason football game, as reported at ObnoxiousTV blog.  This was proven false by people who live in NY & said no such games took place in NY, as reported at Lipstick Alley blog. •Florida Congresswoman Corrine Brown stold WSJ that Tims had a speaking engagement in NY but she didn't know with whom, where, when, etc. --  (Surely Tims' Florida staff knows/knew his planned itinerary?) •A reader comment at NY Daily News said:  "Word on the street is that Tims' was supposed to meet with Al & Jesse that night" (8/12).  -- (Of course that could have been a prank/joke comment.  I haven't seen Al Sharpton nor Jesse Jackson verifying any such "meeting.") I have one question:  Since Tims was a cop in Baltimore before he became a pastor in Florida (& his father was a cop as well), was Tims a member of Freemasonry?  It is a pretty well-known fact that police departments everywhere are awash with Masons (churches & the judiciary system, too); & that Freemasons swear oaths to always assist, help, hide, &/or cover up the troubles &/or crimes their fellow Masonic "brotherhood" members may find themselves involved in.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Hi, just wanted to comment as I attended the last server Pastor Zachery Tims spoke at. I am so grateful that I was in attendance at this service. I had never heard him before and am thankful that the message he spoke "It's In Your Mouth" (Your Future) was very fitting for EVERTHING I was going through in my life that very day. We as humans and Christians tend to JUDGE so quickly. I know that God will use whomever He desires to get the "word" out. I am grateful that he chose Dr. Tims on August 10, 2011 to get the Word out to me! The pastor of the church he spoke at, is a very good friend of Pastor Tims and therefore, I am certain he did the speaking engagement out of the goodness of his heart for a friend. I am glad that I am a friend of God.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Hi, just wanted to comment as I attended the last server Pastor Zachery Tims spoke at. I am so grateful that I was in attendance at this service. I had never heard him before and am thankful that the message he spoke "It's In Your Mouth" (Your Future) was very fitting for EVERTHING I was going through in my life that very day. We as humans and Christians tend to JUDGE so quickly. I know that God will use whomever He desires to get the "word" out. I am grateful that he chose Dr. Tims on August 10, 2011 to get the Word out to me! The pastor of the church he spoke at, is a very good friend of Pastor Tims and therefore, I am certain he did the speaking engagement out of the goodness of his heart for a friend. I am glad that I am a friend of God.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
good riddance

Submitted by Sylvester (not verified) on
Just so my first " anonymous" post won't be confused with the 2nd and 3rd response ...I am Sylvester. Good Riddance???? ..There is appointed unto man one time to die...then The Judgement...Be Careful what you SAY.

Submitted by Anonymous (Nikki) (not verified) on
Good riddance........to any druggie.....and I mean it. I am Nikki and I don't have any sympathy for any fool who sticks anything up his nose but his finger to yank out a booger. I hope he burns in hell, if there is one. And don't give me any of your rhetoric about judgement, please. He knew the consequences of using drugs and he chose to take the risk. I said it before...I have no sympathy and zero tolerance.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
You have no idea what he died from! How do you know the envelope with the powdery substance wasn't planted on him right after he was killed by the hands of someone else? You, like everyone else, do not have the full details...stop speculating!!!!

Submitted by nate (not verified) on
This was published on this site the week following Dr. Tim's death There is an attempt to coverup the real reasons behind the death of Mr. Tims. First, it does not take one week-with the modern technology and fast testing procedures to determine what the white powder was. At most, with GC/MS spectroscopic methods and HPLC it would take 10 minutes. Secondly, the whereabouts of Mr. Tims- and whether or not in the hours preceding his death he received visitors is important to establish who was criminally responsible for this supposedly unknown substance. Law enforcement has been aware for the past five years that street drugs such as cocaine and heroin have been cut with a potent heart stopping veterinarian drug. And, that the suspected powder may have came from confiscated drugs in the possession of law enforcement must be ruled out. The problem here is that confiscated drugs are usually "tagged chemically" by law enforcement as a preventive measure. Should an officer make a drug bust and it is later confirmed that the drugs confiscated are in fact, ones that have been tagged, then it would mean that the department may be complicit in the crime or any resultant deaths. Police move slowly for three reasons: 1. When one of their own may have been involved in a crime. 2 When the crime may have implications adversely affecting the integrity of any of it's components. 3. When Mob ties can be shown to be associated with a major event that may cause a public outcry. There are other reasons also that cannot be discussed. Zachary Tims was found with an adulterated admixture of cocaine/MDMA/and 36.65% levamisole,23.003% lidocaine. Additionally, a significant amount of nitrates were present. This may have played a deadly role also, considering the prodigious use of sildenafil citrate and similar drugs by Mr. Tims

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
We should be very glad that Nikki isn't God although she almost sound as though she is sitting on a throne in judgement seat! I've heard better birds sing Nikki.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Jesus has compassion,shows mercy and gives grace! Judge not, because you will also be judged. We all come short of the Glory of GOD, thats why he sent Jesus- It is the Lords will that no man should perish,but that all men/women should be saved and have everlasting life. Man is destroyed by lack of knowledge, because they refuse knowledge. Once u are saved, God's healing power and The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth. "READ THE BIBLE", JESUS IS THE WAY THE TRUTH & THE LIGHT! - I Peter- CH.5, James CH 4. Galatians CH 5 & 6, EPHESIANS CH 6.I JOHN CH 2. & Finally ROMANS CH 1. Also PROVERBS CH 3 vs 5-6- Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not to your own understanding: In all ways acknowledge Him, And he shall direcdt your paths. Also the gospel of John-CH 8. Finally, God Bless Zachery Tims and his family, I pray that God will send his Angels of comfort and peace at this time. And may Tim rest in PEACE! He was the first Pastor on television that I watched and he was a Man of God! Trust God and his decisions, he makes vessels of honor and vessels of dishonor and he does with the vessels what HE WILLS! Amen, just do your part and run the race to reach the mark of a Higher Calling in Christ Jesus!

Submitted by nathan (not verified) on
Read: "Big Willie's Revenge...Was Dr. Tims...Jada Pinkett???"

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Remember that Jesus loves us all.Pray for this family.Do stand in judgement of this Pastor.God do the judging not man.Those without sins cast the first stone.We are praying for the wife and children as well as the church family.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Very Sad Situation you mentioned that Tims was fired by TBN? Really? Maybe that explains they there was no representation I heard from the network at his funeral or the memorials. Wow.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Although he was reportedly fired from TBN, the network should have respectively bid farewell to Tims...he did after all provide wonderful service to the people and the network! It wasn't until recent things began to go awry....let us not forget about the good he did while he was here!

Submitted by Rev. Wellington (not verified) on
I didn't know Pastor Zachary Tims, but his death points to a lot of suspicion, but there seems to be a common thread that he was suffering behind the scenes. He appears to be a young leader, minister, who rose to fame quickly and with the responsibility of family and a near 8,000 member church. It could be that, "His success pushed him out of the healing help he needed on a continual basis." The public are blind to the truth that their leaders, especially those of ministry, are the same as other people on earth. They can be sick or fallen in weaknesses and in need, sometimes of long-term care. They put aside counseling, substance abuse therapy, fearing that they are not good enough or called into leadership. And from a lack of understanding, if they are authentic, the followers (supporters) abandon them. If you are caught in a situation and you need long-term care such as AA or any other form of treatment, get the help you need, God is supporting you, don't fear, "What will they say?" Being healthy in the way God provides for you is most important and all the rest will follow.

Submitted by Law clerk (not verified) on
There is a struggle of ethics within the medical examiners office concerning the toxicology report of Dr. Tims. The M.E. has been asked to release an autopsy report that either does not list toxicological findings or one in which the findings are redacted. Her position has been that such would be a violation of New York Laws and of her required duties as M.E. Outside influences have tried for the past month to indirectly affect the obligation of this office to report its unedited, unredacted finding to the public. While no intimidation has occurred, the M.E. has consulted one of New Yorks premier Law firms... causing many of those who have attempted to stall the release of the autospy- or seek only a partial release- to back off. Here are some of the "plausibles" that have been suggested that the M.E.s Office report: 1. That the powder found on the person of Dr. Tims was merely "...a headache powder known as B.C... and only came under suspicion because a death occurred. 2. That the powder found on Dr. Tims was merely " diatomaceous earth package"- used by clothing manufactors as a moisture and mold inhibitor... and, again, came only under suspicion by investigators because a death had occurred. 3. That Dr. Tims death was exercised induced... resulting in a heart attack brought upon by an undiagnosed elongated QT interval. 4. Stroke from aneurysm consistent with Atherosclerosis & Hypercholesterolemia... The problem is that in each of the above cases, those who have sought to influence the M.E. have demanded that the toxicology report be altered to reflect findings inconsistent with any use of illegal narcotics. The position of the M.E. is that such actions are criminal... and those who have made such suggestions should be identified and also charged with a crime. Only after her law firm threatened to file a complaint on her behalf with the NY State Board of Medical Examiners did others( think Dallas TX, etc.) back off. Let us just say that Dr. Tims hair... told the his history of use... and his blood verified what many have suspected. Still- from what I have been privy to- he was a man who had a heart that was larger than any suspected problem.

Submitted by Anonymous (Nikki) (not verified) on
Yes you should be...for if I was you can bet this place would surely be cleaned up and there would be not so many pimp preachers around taking money and living such lavish lifestyles, sticking stubstances up their noses and whoring around, and men would be taking care of their children...not the taxpayer.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Nikki, you only see what's happening from the outside...you have no idea what the inside is like! Speculate all you want, but it shows you have no compassion for the human soul!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
why isn't Benny Hinn supporting him or why didn't he show up for the memorial, Dr Tims was always on his show

Submitted by Art Carter (not verified) on
I never personally met Pastor Tims, although I have seen many of his sermons through TV. The LORD spoke many times to my heart through the word that Pastor Tims was speaking. His untimely death is a sad loss to many, including myself. I feel sad at his passing. Remember, no man is perfect, except JESUS, and that is why he is the SAVIOR. Whether Pastor Tims had a relapse, or some other type of foul play took his life, what really matters is the GOOD that he did and will be remembered for.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
To all the people that are judging and speaking that you don't know, you had better make sure your life is right because God is not going to spare you because of what Pastor Tims did. Have you ever thought about someone else could have taken his life. There are people killing one another every day. Just know the words you speak against someone else will come back to you. What you speak you cannot take it back so be careful. God said touch not His anointed and do His prophets no harm. I believe whatever happen Pastor Tims is in Heaven and now we have to live aright to make it there. Even if you fall get up and continue on. Call on the name of Jesus. Jesus

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Yes, we are admonished NOT TO JUDGE, however, to judge RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENTS. We have no authority over another mans soul, however, we are entitled to the Truth. If you read his book HE talks of not only his struggles with addiction, but promescuity as well. In other words thats who he was prior to yielding to Christ. 1999 was when he was delivered from drugs. It is unlikely, if he relapsed, it was on the night of his passing. Personally, I admired Pastor Tim's...I admire his wife Riva that much more ! I think people will be less judgemental when they hear the TRUTH of what caused his death. Then there will be nothing else to Judge.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Bless you in the name of JESUS! I pray that God shows you who he is by any and all means necessary! Everyone will meet their Maker. Every knee shall bow and every mouth shall confess by the name of Jesus Christ. And I rebuke that Devil in the name of Jesus, and all demonic/evil thoughts, and spirits that are hindering you and I pray that GOD gives you a heart of flesh and not stone so that you can feel and be penetrated by the word of GOD! And remember DEMONS are real and they have no desire to loose your vessel until YOU want them gone in the name of JESUS! I also pray that you be healed and whoever and whatever has made you so bitter, I pray that GOD gives you the strength to forgive them and move on and then you will not let hurt have power over you, keeping you from true happiness and fullness of Joy in Christ Jesus. You need to ask God to forgive you and come into your heart and be fully persuaded that he is the son of God and that he died for your sins so that you may live free from bondage, idolatry etc. If GOD is not HEAD of your life you are a child of SATAN and he walks about like a roaring lion seeking who he may devour deceive and destroy. Stop being a candidate! GOD BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU AND JESUS LOVES YOU NO MATTER WHAT YOU DID! I Love you, stopped being tricked by the Devil. This is from a True Follower of Christ!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Scripture wise, what you say is true. Dr. Tim's has ceased from suffering in this present world, however, for his ex-wife Riva, and his four children , they will ever have to live with the residue of his choices. We can rally and uphold Zachery Tim's until Jesus returns...nevertheless, his conduct was not a direct assault against any of us, nor do we or can we feel the overwhelming emotional conflict that is surely ever present with this family. Only Riva Tim's knows the deep dark secrects of her marriage and family life. If anyone is worthy of a TRIBUTE it is those who endured and still remain. Zachery could give less than a flying flip what anyone thinks about him, it no longer matters !

Submitted by Anonymous (Nikki) (not verified) on
Yes, you really have to feel bad for the children. Sad to think that this excuse for a man I like to call the pulpit pimp didn't think enough of them to try to live a good and decent life, huh, but chose to go down the path of filth and destruction, knowing it would catch up with him sooner or later and they would have to eventually have to live with the shame. Oh my, the sins of the fathers. If there is a devil I am sure he and this excuse for a husband and father I call the pulpit pimp are dancing a fine dance to a fine tune.

Submitted by essie (not verified) on
I am with Nikki. Smoke...Fire....and then brimstone for you believers! He was dirty, dirty as sin, and sucking up money from the ignorant Believers. Another mega-church scam artist.

Submitted by nate (not verified) on
this Article was on preachers.effenup.com: Black Mega Church Pastor Clocks Out: Apparently While Singing: "Teach Me How To Druggie" Dr. Zachary Tims, pastor and founder of one of Orlando Florida's biggest Mega-Churches and a frequent sermonizer on the TBN religious television programming was found "dead as a drowned sewer rat" inside a swank New York Hotel room this week. Police also found evidence that the same "white lady" that has been killing niggas' since the great depression may have had a complicit role in Dr, Tim's death. And she almost escaped..without notice. Bet you don't look like Will Smith now, my nigga'. Dr. Tims, supposedly a former crackhead- who became "instantly healed" from his previous drug addiction by God- became the recipient of two earned Bachelor degrees, an earned Doctorate, and honorary Doctorate, and now "The Damn Fool Award" for forgetting the biblical lesson taught in the story of Lot. That lesson was simply: "When God gives you the opportunity to escape something...DON'T LOOK BACK !!!" . Thing is, only the stupid minded would believe that his death was untimely. What still gets me here is the same thing that got me with the Bishop Eddie Long situation: With all the Priest, Prophets, Prophetesses, Holy Ghosted Bootae Shakers, Tongue Talkers, and other esteemed members of the King's House; how come NOT ONE OF THEM were able to speak a "word" to Dr. Tims, or "prophesi upon his hidden addiction??? Just in the past six months we have seen Black Church's plagued by Assaults, Drugs, Homo's,and Death. That seems to be what represents the Black Church- and since Preachers love acronyms, let's try this one on: Black Church= Rapes+Assaults+Drugs+Homo's+Death. Therefore: Black Church R ADHD. The one exception: Atlanta Pastor Tony Smith's Church. So Vegetables of God: Wake Up and pay attention... as Glamour and Glitz should not be Spiritual Ritalin for you. Is there a True Man Of God In The Mega- Church House? Time to stand up, leave the rhetoric and psychology behind, and come home to God. One last acronymn for Dr. Tims: Death Reads: This Is My Story... Death Reads: This Is My Song. Amen

Submitted by nate (not verified) on
I just pulled the article off the website. It was one of the first I read about the subject. It was cold, but so is death. Here is another one on Eddie Long. It's funny. Go to the site and dig thru the full August archive. They was hot that month: Breaking News: The Fast Is Over: Bishop Eddie Long Masticates On Sausage Again. Accusers May Have To Hire Body Guards. Country Boys love sausage. And for some, it just ain't no breakfast food either. It is a necessity. Sources reported yesterday (on the condition that they remain anonymous because they are not authorized to speak) that the embattled Bishop of New Birth, Eddie Long, has ended a self imposed fast. Yet, and to the surprise of close associates, Bishop Long has rekindled an urge to put some "meat" in his mouth. You would think that given all the surrounding publicity over allegations of sexual coercion- and the resultant shocking monetary settlement- the Bishop would at least consider being a vegetarian for life; shunning meat in the way the Biblical Priest Eli should have done. Sadly, it didn't happen. To the shock and horror of his closest associates , Bishop Long chowed down on some "sausage" in a way described by sources as not unlike a ' Caligula love affair'. "When it comes to sausage, no one can masticate it like the Bishop", stated our source. "Everyone looked stunned at first- but within minutes the whole table turned and everybody there was masticating. Breakfast turned from a prayer to a spicy sausage orgy- as even the women present began to participate. Juices ran down from the mouths of many- spilling onto shirts, blouses, napkins, fingers, pants, and dresses. One gentleman got squirted in the eye. As things began to start moving, request were made for more quantities of butter . Guest also called repeatedly for more napkins and even jelly. One gentleman began to choke on the fullness in his mouth; though he managed to swallow it all in the end". "It carnally reminded me of my days in prison- where sausage was big, aged, plenty and served day and night on tossed salads- if they didn't have a shank. In the end, the table cloth had more stains than the back and front seats of a teenager,s car at the drive-in movies". "After it was over, everybody loaded up and was about to leave. One lady complained that she needed some Vaseline for her lips. That's when the gentleman who had choked on sausage earlier pulled out a whole jar. Some new dude with two earrings, a clerical collar,and argyle socks started smiling and squirming in his seat as soon as he saw the Vaseline. Meanwhile, no one noticed that the Bishop had slipped off into the men's room. When someone did say 'where's the Bishop' and went to check on him, a young man about seventeen or eighteen poked his head out of the restroom and said the Bishop is "coming out" now." The Bishop is "coming out" now. That's when everybody in the Van said: 'It's about time'". My wife wonders if the Bishop knows how to switch...to a LGBT toupee; and if the Bishop will hire new bodyguards from the sissies on Jerry Springer.

Submitted by nathan (not verified) on
There is an attempt to coverup the real reasons behind the death of Mr. Tims. First, it does not take one week-with the modern technology and fast testing procedures to determine what the white powder was. At most, with GC/MS spectroscopic methods and HPLC it would take 10 minutes. Secondly, the whereabouts of Mr. Tims- and whether or not in the hours preceding his death he received visitors is important to establish who was criminally responsible for this supposedly unknown substance. Law enforcement has been aware for the past five years that street drugs such as cocaine and heroin have been cut with a potent heart stopping veterinarian drug. And, that the suspected powder may have came from confiscated drugs in the possession of law enforcement must be ruled out. The problem here is that confiscated drugs are usually "tagged chemically" by law enforcement as a preventive measure. Should an officer make a drug bust and it is later confirmed that the drugs confiscated are in fact, ones that have been tagged, then it would mean that the department may be complicit in the crime or any resultant deaths. Police move slowly for three reasons: 1. When one of their own may have been involved in a crime. 2 When the crime may have implications adversely affecting the integrity of any of it's components. 3. When Mob ties can be shown to be associated with a major event that may cause a public outcry. There are other reasons also that cannot be discussed. Zachary Tims was found with an adulterated admixture of cocaine/MDMA/and 36.65% levamisole,23.003% lidocaine. Additionally, a significant amount of nitrates were present. This may have played a deadly role also, considering the prodigious use of sildenafil citrate and similar drugs by Mr. Tims

Submitted by LGPJ (not verified) on
Well I must admit, it is an insult to the American public to underestimate reasonable intelligence. At this point, it wouldn t surprise anyone if they said it was due to Natural Causes. The first sign of suspicion was the two day delay to announce his passing. For Law Enforcement to testify of a " unknown " possibly narcotic on his person was ridiculous. Ask anyone in prison convicted of possession. Narcotics can be tested immediately ! Anyone ever watch Cops ?? It has never been established as to if he traveled alone or who may have entered or exited his room during his stay. It would take the W and any other Hoted five minutes to reveal that information. How do you know what components were in the drug ? Nevertheless, this is seems more fitting for a HUSH to Judgement than Rush. It is still grievous, especially for the family, so we must continue to pray for them.

Submitted by Nate (not verified) on
Hello LGPJ' With respect to the source of my information on the toxicology determination, that is something that I am sure you are aware I cannot reveal. Let me just say this: for those with the proper credentials, this report is available in it's completeness online. TMZ has tried repeatedly to obtain the autopsy report. Currently there is a "hold" in place; one requested by Dr. Jakes through federal sources. How this is done is that a high ranking federal official within the Black Church body took custody of the official determination by the coroner prior to it's release. This was done under the the position that the federal government has a need to "take a look at the circumstances" surrounding Dr. Tims death. Hence the results of this autopsy will remain on hold... and on the desk of this government official for months or years... and will ultimately become misplaced or lost. This has been a long standing practice: one used by Churches of all denominations. It has saved the lives of many, maintained the reputations of others, and allowed for those who made mistakes to rise above them. First it was used to protect the reputations and backgrounds of the children of white federal law enforcement officials. Black folk have used it to protect the reputations of religious leaders, politicians, etc. I could give you some examples- with names, dates, crimes, charges, even agents involved. However that would not be wise. Let me just say that your remark of 'Hush to Judgement' was on the money. If you new how many blackfolk who work for the federal government have been "saved by the grace of this "governmental god" you would see just how many secrets among us have been buried concerning our church leaders and many others. Dr. Tims autopsy report may never be released- and if it is, it will be "washed clean" or watered down. That way, people like myself, who reported the truth, will seem discredited and as ones who only wanted to kick a dead horse- or preacher- in this case. Just remember this, you cannot join a Black church of substantial size without the following occuring without your consent: a local, statewide, and federal background check being performed. The results are not always given to the pastors- like T.D.Jakes, Jennings, etc.- many times they just get a verbal summary, or an unofficial yea or nay with respect to that person. Law enforcement in the church ministry serves as the all seeing eye for the preacher... in the same way that many financial institution executives disclose a persons or new members finances to the Minister unofficially. Dr. Tims church had well over 1600 former and present members who worked for the Federal Government in some capacity that required a security clearance. Lastly, at least 5 of them know that the results of toxicology reported here were- let us say- very very very accurate. I reported back in June or July as a comment on the Mo' Kelly report about how Bishop Long had five accusers... and how his statement about having "five stones" was coded language that was an offer to pay 1 million dollars to each of his accusers to settle- as the word "stone" is business men slang for one million dollars; and a term he had taught as slang to each of his accusers. This was under an article concerning T.D.Jakes lack of real comment to Bishop Long's accusers allegations. Essentially, what goes on in the Black Church is hidden from it's members and visitors- including rape, homosexuality, pastoral incest, gambling, drug usage, theif, and murder. It also is a part of the white church, but that is expected from them. As black people we must hold our church to a standard set by God and not the standard set by some former slave owner or his "government" ways- when they do not serve truth. Their church has always had the double standard of God in voice- yet Evil in action. Eddie Long, Dr. Tims, TD Jakes, etc.- all have two masters... and the other one ain't homosexuality or drugs...

Submitted by LGPJ (not verified) on
I believe every words of it ! Yes, I like many were fond of Pastor Tim's and his Ministry, however, if anyone has brought more suspicion to the occu rances surrounding his death ... it's the ones who have seemingly worked tirelessly from keeping the " Whole Story " from being told. I do believe, however, Ms. Tim's was thoroughly briefed as well as those who went to New York on the 12th. If he died of a Drug overdose ... he just died of a Drug overdose ! What's the Big Deal ? He pretty much told you of his past in his book " It's never too late". Nothing is going to surprise us at this point, and all this daily update, another two day wait, almost ready for release drama really needs to stop ! Now ,unless they decide this was something more than an overdose, or other than an overdose, I think everyone is yaw.ning and about ready to settle for a mosquite bite ... that's how STUPID they think we are. RIP, Pastor Zack. Thank You for sharing ... and keep us posted !

Submitted by Nikki (not verified) on
The pulpit pimp is dead..he probably died of an overdose....he probably got exactly what he deserved. If there is a hell he is in it..if not....he is 6 feet under, stiff as a board, rotting away in some fancy aluminum box that some poor folks paid for because they listened to his lies while he jumped around on the pulpit, preaching lies to them he didn't believe himself.....if he did he would probably be here today and not have been found dead in some NYC hotel room with some strange white powder on him...right? The End...ding dong the witch it dead, or in this case...the pulpit pimp...get over it.

Submitted by LGPJ (not verified) on
It depends on what you believe. Fortunately, not everyone views Dr. Tim's as a Pulpit Pimp and for fear of their own Eternal Security, would dare not condemn anyone to Hell. With respect to his preaching, if you believe The Bible to be the Infallible Word of God ... He preached the Truth... that changed lives, which is what the Bible will do if you allow it to. On the other hand we do have an Adversary... depending on what you believe, that seeks to deceive and destroy. Satan is his name. Know the Difference, he's after YOU TOO !

Submitted by Nikki (not verified) on
Thank goodness I don't believe the bible....I would hate to think I would fall into that trap of believing in those stories and fear I would be condemned to a place like that. He was, in my opinion, a pulpit pimp, just after the money of the people who fell for his rhetoric. May he rot away.

Submitted by Theoscientist (not verified) on
Jesus: The Rapist and The Murderer While Black Americans have been officially freed from sanctioned physical slavery for approximately 150 years, most are still bound as mental slaves to a form of religious thinking and worship unbeknownst to the first of their ancestors brought to America in chains . This religion and it's accompaning murderer- Jesus, together formed the mental side of the enslavement of the Negro. It is a religion of death and not life; one whos grip upon the minds of Black people has not be severed by any proclamation of freedom or self dismissal- even to this day. For within it lies the fear that a Negro could being condemned by God to a Hell that is worst than slavery. Such fear created a Negro who gives "thanks in an abundance" for any situation encountered in life...even a dismal, pathetic existence followed by death. Such Negroes- still alive today- form the basis of the modern Black Church. The exception: the educated Preacher- who knows that a true fear of Hell has no real basis in the theology of a God who "loves" us. For any God that would claim to be our father and would claim to love his children- only to set them afire at a later date, is Satanic. Seminary trained preachers know this. They just don't tell you that. Seminarians learn this as "...a God who is Lord and not father is Demonic...".See Tillich. What our educated preachers will not teach is freedom. If they did, then the true nature of Jesus- as the rapist and murderer- would have to come forth. Instead, they teach what is known as Transitional Theology, sometimes referred to also as Systematic Translational Theology. In this theology the demonic Jesus is white washed into a historical Jesus of archaeological and anthropological consideration- emerging as the "Son of God" and some "Prince of Peace". This is Demonic Theology, and is the exact reason that the grip of mental slavery and the view of the Bible as inerrant has remained intact and a lie of religion, respectively. Should anyone ever have the opportunity to peruse the "Sacred" libraries of the Vatican, you would find the above theology- along with the "Order of Lucifer" held sacred and in a special, sanctioned place. So let us now present who "Jesus" really is. Afterwhich, you will hopefully re-crucify him... and come to understand God. Lastly, any Priest, Prophet, Rabbi, Shaman, or Holyman who stands against this word will perish by sudden and untimely death. Sort of like Dr. Tims. The physical and mental picture that our parents may have thought was of Jesus, may not have been one of any good and biblical Jesus of Nazareth, but instead was one of a slave owner's son- Jesus Santiago Cristus-Reyes- whose was brutally hacked to death and eaten by 10 field slaves- in obedience to the African Ritual that binds the condemned spirit(s) of demons; all as retribution for Reyes' vile rape and murder of a 9 year old slave girl named Mozel. Since Master Reyes' slaves were all considered upstanding and trustworthy, they were never suspected of this so called atrocity- as it was surmised that this "poor Jesus" had been attacked and partially eaten by a bear, with bits of his remaining carcass scavenged by smaller wild animals... and pigs. The lost of his "perfect and only son" so grieved Master Reyes, that prior to the finding of his son's scrap-meat carcass, all slaves in the region were ordered to pray for the return of Jesus Reyes everyday. Hence, what began as a mandate or rule for area slaves, soon became a ritualistic tradition of praying for the return of this Jesus Reyes- or "Jesus King". In time, slaves would somehow come to reversing the name to 'King Jesus'. And, in the process, slaves who sought to be "more learned" among their slave brothers and sisters, would include the full name- pronouncing Santiago as Santyer, Santior or Saint; and eventually as "Savior" or Savior Jesus King". Since slaves who prayed the hardest- and openly claimed to keep "King Jesus" in their hearts- were treated less harshly by slave owners, it became common practice among slaves to also teach their children to openly pray for this Jesus' return. Within the span of 150 years, now near the time George Washington became the first U.S. President, the continued practice by slaves of keeping "Jesus the rapist and murderer" in their hearts- as well as praying for his return - had become as much a part of slavery as was slave labor. This was around 1740, and by then few slaves- if any- had tangible knowledge about the demonic nature of the "Jesus" they had now come to know. Because of this loss of knowledge, slaves began to mistakenly associate the Murderer Jesus, as one who's real origin must be "of the slave master's good book." Jesus was no longer the true Satanic murderer known to their enslaved ancestors. And by 1770, Jesus was easily considered by slaves as "one who was good, one who was able to save the slave from the torments of life"; and not the true tormentor that he was. In essence, the murderer and rapist "Jesus" had been "White-washed of his Sin" ...and was now the new "Savior King Jesus" of the Negro slave. Slave owners seized upon this, using printed versions of "Bibles" that twisted and rewrote scriptures in their favor. The worst of which was the King James Version. Slave owners even used various pictures and drawings of other bearded slave owners or their sons- as proof to the slave of the likeness of this Jesus to the slave owner.* Slaves were then taught from these twisted scriptures: learning that it was biblical to "obey their lord and their master"; to "love" their enemy- even those who spitefully used them. Lastly, slaves were taught to anxiously await the return of "Jesus". Slave women were taught that if "Jesus" was to come, he would come "knocking" in the darkest hours- with the glow of a lamp near his face- and that they were to immediately 'harken to his voice', let him in... and submit themselves unto him. Worst of all, slave women were ordered- under the threat of being whipped to death or near death- to teach their children [male and female] to "love and to also submit" to any need of "Jesus". A sad and sadistic chapter of slave history would now chronicle how the incessant rape of slave women and slave children followed. For some slave women, and their daughters as young as five- "Jesus" came knocking as many as thirty times a night; with each "new lamp lit face" referring to himself as either Jesus, "another" Jesus, "the other" Jesus, or the "true" Jesus. Such slave women and children- having been ravaged and decimated by venereal diseases, injury, unknown infections and what has now been shown to be various forms of animal tuberculosis and mycobacteria avium- were reduced to "[ones] with a babbling voice, staggering gait, and a trembling hand delirium ; many crying 'Master Jesus'... all whilst bleeding... or dripping of feces uncontrollably." Such slave women and children, having been raped to insanity and near death, were usually finished off quickly; being either clubbed to death- or poisoned under the ruse of being medicated. Some were buried( in lime) by slaves, while others were tossed into swamps and rivers- so as to prevent "contamination of healthy slave stock"... "and to accustom the alligator to the taste of the nigger... should any slave seek the waters as a means of escape." Because the loss of any slave represented a loss of wealth and potential income, many slave owners instituted new rules governing which slave women should "serve Jesus" ( i.e. be raped) , and which slave women should be mostly left alone. Slave women spared from the horror of repeated rape often shouted the phrase "thank you, Jesus", in the hope that it would appease the so called slave masters; also teaching their children to say the same. Still, all were raped at sometime or another. And the rape of young slave girls continued unabated. For African Americans today, the ritualistic slave practice of praying for the return of "Jesus", and the sadistic slave/master practice of submitting ones self to "Jesus", are now rooted in the theological pedagogy of worship.. One would think that by now, those who engage in these practices should have come to know who this demonic "Jesus" really was... and is... in their lives and the lives of their African ancestors. However, many defend this modernized slave ritual, now considered religious, by insisting that they essentially are giving themselves to the other Jesus, another Jesus, or even the true Jesus King. Most remain unaware that they defend their beliefs with the same words used by the 30 times a night rapist slave masters : arguably one more indication of the bond that slavery and White-washed religion still has upon Black people . The babbling voice, the staggering gait; even the trembling hand delirium of abused slave women and children- all remain as integrated traits of today's modernized Christian religion: with each above infliction having been white-washed, renamed and reclaimed without blemish by Black folk. Today, these same injuries caused by slave rape are renamed as "talking in tongues" ... "dancing in the Holy Ghost"...getting filled with the spirit(i.e. being raped)...and being made "White" as snow ( i.e. buried in lime or glorification). The act known as Baptism is the renamed death inflicted when the bodies of abused slave women and children were tossed into the waters as alligator meat- thus experiencing a "new life" unknown to others. Hence, the murderer of black people, Jesus Santiago Cristus-Reyes or Jesus Christ King , has returned- whitewashed- as the Savior of our ancestors childrens children. For which the modern negro proudly asserts his or her desire to be as "a slave to Jesus" - that is to say, be raped. This even explains the mindset of the active church homosexual. This modernized form of rape is psychological and spiritual, although sometimes physical; and with the exception of children- it is mostly voluntary. Often it is referred to as an intimate relationship with the "master" or as being a "slave" to Jesus. It is a mindset that climaxes with being "filled with the Holy Ghost"- meaning born again as White- followed by death and reunification with this Jesus for some more of the same bullshit. This is why the 10 slaves ate the murderer Jesus: to free the spirit of Mozel from a demonic death. Today, black folk still practice eating Jesus. They call it communion. Most do not realize that this is part of an African spiritual ritual that continually condemns any demonic presence by binding the spirit of demons to a place set forth by Yah. A place we now call Hell. This practice too, has been "white-washed." Additionally insane is the fact that many African Americans, having continued in the slave ritual of praying for the return of the rapist and murderer "Jesus King," have now elevated him to the status of God. Jesus King, now becomes ever present within them; continuing in the psychological rape and murder of each and every one of them. And, because many teach this "love of Jesus" to their children, he also rapes the children too for "life"- less they escape the simple minded ignorance of their white Jesus parents. "Jesus King" or "King Jesus" even insures himself of future victims by employing the twisted scripture of the slave master: admonishing all simple minded parents not to keep your children from coming to him. Why? Because- according to his words- they are just like "King" heaven to him. Somehow, I bet they are.This explains why some Preachers rape children in their Church- or fault the child while turning a blind eye to it. Lastly, many well educated African Americans invoke another even eerier prayer taken from the slave master's Bible: one of letting the mind of this "Jesus" be also in them. As a consequence, they fail to understand why many among their Pastorate- who pride themselves in being like-minded to Jesus- also rape children in as much vile and demonic passion as did Jesus and the slave masters. And according to their own words: "we are slaves to Jesus." Certainly, with this understanding, the presence of this "Jesus" anywhere on earth- or in heaven- is reason enough to crucify him all over again. Then eat him or leave him for consumption by wild animals. Another level of insanity within the practicing of religion by modern Black Folk is the "white-washed" African ritual- now called communion. For if the "Jesus" of today is in fact another Jesus or "some other' Jesus- who is God, His son, or of God- and is all sustaining, then to "eat of his body" and "drink of his blood" at the beginning of each month. ... and have to eat government cheese and use food stamps the rest of the month....speaks to the foolishness and stupidity of religion among African Americans today. Growing up, I learned to "eat Jesus" once a month. However symbolic, he was still a " hacked up white cracker." Sort of like what the 10 slaves partook of in their ritualistic freeing of the spirit of Mozel from an eternal Hell. Hmmm. Still, it seems that this religion has white-washed everything- including Micheal Jackson. Black families have even prayed that this "Jesus" guide the hand and heart of President Obama: even that he( Jesus) "bless" the food that the Obama's eat. With that kind of praying, it's a wonder that the President hasn't died in office already.Is there Hope? Well, there is always hope as long as their is life, vision, and God- all by himself.

Submitted by LGPJ (not verified) on
Well I do Believe, and your Non Belief does not make HIS WORD INEFFECTIVE. Your Soul, Your Eternity. I will agree to respect your choice of Eternal Fate. Blessings ~

Submitted by Nikki (not verified) on
True, if you believe, good for you.....that is wonderful and I am glad that you are a believer and that we live in a country where you can believe in what you want and I am free to believe in what I want and am free to say it without being judged. Isn't that wonderful? I still think he was a money grubbing liar and think of all the wonderful things he could have done with all the millions of dollars he spent on houses, whores and cars...of all the poor people he could have fed, but he chose instead to ram white powder up his nose. II am sure his widow is enjoying the money tho and is far from grieving as we speak. As I said, ding dong the liar is dead...I hope he is well rotted. The end...you will not hear from me again. Goodbye and enjoy your life. I know I enjoy mine, free from the religious nuts of the world.

Submitted by LGPJ (not verified) on
Again, I respect your choice and of course we are all entitled to our opinions, while your disdain for Dr. Tim's is apparent, it is only fair to give him credit where credit is due. Dr. Tim's notariety is due in part for his Community Advocacy. He gave quite a bit... that includes the rich and the poor.... especially the poor. It has been a pleasure dialoguing with you..... Be Blessed~

Submitted by Redman57 (not verified) on
Nikki-Nikki-Nikki OMG. You got fire in your loins and the spirit of God in you! Your swagga is hot buttered baby, and the spirit of truth flows from your tongue like living water. You make a man want to give you a baby!!! Don't know what you look like- really don't care...cause your inner beauty is beyond bliblical description. Keep expressing yourself with the smoothness and pointed articulation that you do. You is SWEET!

Submitted by LGPJ (not verified) on
Good for Her ! By now surely they know they have confirmed the WORST of the publics suspicions....and BC Powders are not sold in glassine envelopes. If that was the case they could have confirmed the substance at Autopsy. I wonder if that report has anything to do with Insurance payouts ? Certain companies ... especially those with Large Coverage amounts, are quite strick when it comes to payouts. Well, it only saddens the occassion that much more...Dallas, Tx..? You mean the Eulogist ? Well ! LIke I said GOOD FOR HER ! SURELY, NO ONE HERE IN DALLAS IS PROPOSING SHE DO ANYTHINHG ... BUT THE RIGHT THING ! RIGHT DALLAS ????