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Dr. Phil: Women Beware!

I caught the Dr. Phil show yesterday, titled, "Women Beware!" where Dr. Phil asked the audience to rate their approval for the guests, Scott and Nick from the Mystery Method and Ross Jeffries of Speed Seduction fame.

You have probably seen or heard of these outfits: they train men how to approach and pick up women. Dr. Phil asked some pointed questions, but he didn’t go far enough in condemning these techniques. In fact, when interviewing two young women on their experience in bars and how they felt about the whole thing, he said:

“Didn’t somebody teach you how to put your makeup on, how to choose clothes, how to conduct yourself as a lady?” Dr. Phil asks. “Somebody invented the push-up bra for a reason.”

Yes, Dr. Phil, somebody did teach us: mass media. Barbie. TV shows. As far as I know, my mother never wore a push-up bra in her life, so it sure wasn’t her. For many years, I stuffed myself into pantyhose, tight dresses, wore high heels and yes, a push-up bra, so that I could conform to the vision of society’s ideal woman. Now I wear casual clothes, a white cotton bra with no underwires, and if I wear a push-up bra, it’s to make a dress or blouse fit properly without it sagging. And frankly, my undergarments are my business.

So by your reasoning, Dr. Phil, if I wear a push-up bra, I am attracting men and being manipulative? That would mean if a man were wearing nice clothes and a tight pair of jeans, he was deliberately being a tease or a come-on artist? Puh-lease! I expect better from you, Dr. Phil. My breasts and my push-up bra do not walk up to men and tell them lies any more than a sock stuffed in a guy’s jeans does the same to me. I can’t believe you picked up on the old saw “she’s wearing something sexy so it must be her fault that I’m attracted to her.”

This show was nothing more than advertisement for these guys. Teaching young men confidence? Teaching men how to treat women as objects and manipulate them like trained dogs is more like it. Whether or not they are successful in these endeavors is not the issue: the issue is that it is carrying on the misconception that women are less intelligent than men, we are vulnerable creatures who need to be protected (by whom? All the “good” men like you, Dr. Phil?).

Relationships should be built on trust. If I found out my husband, who is a hypnotherapist and is trained in NLP, by the way, used hypnotic seduction techniques or NLP on me, I’d be more pissed off than a nest of hornets that somebody’d taken a baseball bat to. And you know hornets can be some mean little sonuvabitches when they are bothered.

This is not some Cyrano de Bergerac method of approaching women. For example, Nick from the Mystery Method responds to Ross Jeffries allegations that Mystery Method uses something called “push-pull,” to throw a woman off balance:

“We absolutely teach push-pull. That’s flirting. If somebody says something that I enjoy, I will reward her for that. If she says something that I don’t enjoy, I’ll let her know about that … If I’m constantly, no matter what she says, loving everything she does, that’s boring.”

Nick, lemme tell you something about women: we do like men who like what we do. My husband loves me the way I am, and as a matter of fact, I don’t find it boring when he expresses his admiration. Have you ever lived with a verbal abuser, Nick? I have: my last longterm relationship was with a man who found it amusing to put me down one minute, then tell me how beautiful I was and how much he loved me the next. By the time I got out of that relationship, my self-esteem was at an all-time low, and I had to go into therapy for being subjected to the little tricks like you mention. Stop it. Stop teaching men that it is “exciting” to women to be insulted. You are a pretentious chauvinist pig. You make money from preying on men’s insecurities with women by teaching them how to prey on women’s insecurities. You should be ashamed of yourself. I have a son and if I ever found out he was doing what you’re doing, he’d get an earful from me too.

Oh and Ross Jeffries? Father of the sleazeballs. He was there for one sole purpose: to advertise his product. He made light of the fact that his advertising includes how to get laid (no censorship here, Dr. Phil, amazing that you can’t say “laid” on TV in this day and age). Jeffries proclaimed it hype and admonished us all not to pay attention to the advertising, it’s just a way to get people to notice his product. Oh, so it’s false advertising then? Which is it Ross, a product teaching men how to get laid using NLP techniques, or an innocent tool that boosts men’s confidence? Guess which one I think it is.

Jeffries also goes on to mention that the women like sex too. Is that like, cows liked to be serviced by bulls? We are there for men’s pleasure only and we like it too. How modern of you, Ross. I am finally allowed to like sex after thousands of years, excluding the Victorian Age, of course. But I can’t choose whom to have sex with, I have to wait for one of your “seduction masters” to approach me? Why not just round us all up and treat us like the women in The Handmaids Tale? And I loved your “I’m so innocent here, it’s all these other guys who are doing the bad stuff” routine. Lies. Total lies. Are you pissed off Ross? Then picture me flipping you the bird and anchor that, you jerk.

Dr. Phil, your show has hit an all-time low here. The segment on the woman getting scammed by a man was what? A tidbit to appease your female audience into thinking you are actually trying to help them? The quality of your show has really taken a turn for the worse lately. I can’t believe you sat there in front of your wife and didn’t decry these assholes for what they were to their faces. You also gave them a boatload of free advertising.

Dr. Phil, I have seen you tell it like it is to so many people, and I’d like to ask you, why didn’t you do it to these guys? You know what NLP is, you know that trust is an important part of establishing relationships, and I’d like to know why on God’s green Earth you didn’t tell women how to counteract things like NLP and hypnotic seduction. Shame on you, Dr. Phil, for not delving into the reality of this subject further. I challenge you to do a real show instead of a show that jokes about this stuff, and bring on some experts who can tell guys some real confidence-boosting methods instead of teaching them to manipulate and demean women.

Source: By Marie's Maine Weblog

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Re: Dr. Phil: Women Beware!

DCA's picture

Tactics like NLP do push the boundaries on what is acceptable, and Ross Jeffries is far from the ideal example of a pickup guru. But I STRONGLY disagree with the author of this piece's view that women are meandering, doe-eyed sheep fooled by these "manipulative tactics". In fact, women are fully complicit in their own seduction. I don't care how good he is at NLP, a man is not going to "force" a woman to like him if she wasn't already predisposed to it. Women are not helpless, flailing victims who need to be saved from MEN, those big, bad, awful wolves. They are creatures who, like men, want to meet and mate with members of the opposite sex.

And to the author's comment refuting Nick's that women prefer men who reward good behavior and punish bad behavior, you missed the point. Nick is not saying "be a verbal abuser." He's saying DON'T TOLERATE BAD BEHAVIOR. Far different. Would you let a man you are dating get out of line and walk all over you, Marie? I highly doubt it from what I've read here! You're a strong woman, and I'd be surprised if you wanted to be with a weak man. All Nick is saying here is, don't be a weak man -- be a strong one. Reward the good (expressing your admiration), punish the bad. If you think it's WRONG to punish bad behavior, I don't think I'd want to have to watch your kids for a couple of hours at the shopping mall.

Cheers!

Dr Phil

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Unfortunately you proved them right...

Anonymous's picture

Hate to say it, but you proved those guys right. This is the problem with what women "say" they want, and what they actually go after. You said it yourself, you were in a LONG TERM RELATIONSHIP with a verbal abuser. Meanwhile I'm sure there were plenty of guy's shoulder's you probably cried on about the whole ordeal...and I bet most of them wanted to be with you as more than a friend.

In my lifetime of listening to women, they mostly say the same thing: "I want to be treated with respect and loved unconditionally by a good guy" Yet invariably they all wind up with losers for YEARS...not days or weeks or even months. YEARS. Men are not stupid either Marie. We see this and get just as pissed as you are now...because we believed you. We stood by you when they were treating you like crap. We urged you to leave the relationship over and over again. When you finally did move on you went to another jerk...and we stood by you through that as well. Hopefully, you personally only had to deal with the one jerk before you realized you were worth better, but trust me and look around. The reason why these techniques are selling is because the nice guys are getting left behind and getting used (i.e. supposed "baggage") leftovers and I think frankly...they're sick of it.

Just so you know I've been on both sides of this argument. I was a true A-Hole before turning 21 and finding "true" love. I got laid a lot before that and was relatively happy. That relationship didn't work out cuz I turned into Mr. "Nice Guy" and she wound up sleeping w/ sumone else while we were together. Sad part is I took my time with her (a week before we had sex...at the time that WAS a long time for me)and the guy she slept with had her in a night. after that relationship I still tried to maintain being the Nice Guy, but was scarred and was no longer able to trust anyone I was with (which I'll admit was MY problem). Since that time I don't get laid, I get relationships. Suddenly I became "needy" because I wanted to be able to express myself to my supposed "significant other", as I was told women want from men. As you're reading this I bet you wanna tell me to "Man Up" even...

Tell ya what. Stop lying to yourselves and us and I'll be a man. Cuz after looking back I really didn't like being an A-hole. It felt GREAT being in love.

Am I bitter? YOU BETCHA! hahahahahahaha

That said, I think MORE men should read these techniques until women start learning how valuable they really are and acting like it. If I'm wrong then ask your female friends how many A-Holes they've been with. I'm betting most will say they had no idea how the men were when they initially met them...that the men misrepresented themselves, like these guys are teaching... but I know for a fact "Women's Intuition" is real. They just ignored the signs to suit themselves...for SEX. That's what Dr. Phil meant about women wanting sex as much as men. Think back on your long term abusive relationship and I'm betting he turned you on something awful in the beginning at least...

Lastly, evidently the techniques work, otherwise it wouldn't sell right? Who's fault is that honestly? The guys that use it because women are attracted to confidence regardless of whether the guy is good or not? Or the women that fall for it? If they thought better of themselves it wouldn't work, but it does...and THAT is what needs to change

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