Internet group "Anonymous": Scientologists Complain of Stalking and Harassment

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Despite repeated claims that Anonymous raids are not intended to infringe the rights of Scientologists, I was curious about how Scientologists feel about it, so I asked a few of them for their reactions, and got a very different story.

In a recent "raid", one Scientologist was upset by masked videographers lying down in the street to take pictures her from below as she stood outside her church. “I found it quite frightening and intimidating,” she complained. “I’ve never been subjected to treatment like that. It made me feel unsafe.” Another Scientologist was repeatedly confronted by a masked woman who taunted him with a challenge to join the picket. “If this happened at the temple down the block I’ll bet the ADL would be out in force demanding warrants for their arrest.”

“I respect the rights of people to protest peacefully” said another Scientologist. “But these guys were out there with bullhorns, yelling abuse, interrupting counseling sessions. And when we tried to point it out they just turned up the volume.”

Although most Scientologists surveyed thought the masked protesters were just bored kids with nothing to do, some were concerned when they read about picketers bragging about them getting their “fun” from disrupting Scientology churches. They call it “lulz”. According to the Urban Dictionary, “Lulz is the one good reason to do anything, from trolling to rape. After every action taken, you must make the epilogic dubious disclaimer: ‘I did it for the lulz’.”

“I can’t take these kids seriously,” said one Scientologist about a recent flash raid.” Less than a mile from here there are homeless people who could really use some help, anywhere you look there are folks who can’t kick drug or alcohol dependence, people are really suffering from marriage problems, kids are dropping out of school. In the peaceful protests of the 1960s there was real purpose to the activity and it resulted in so much reform that the odds are that next President of the United States will be a Black man. I’d like to see someone harness the energy of these college students to do some good in the world. I’d like to invite them to help in our community programs, where a Saturday afternoon at one of our tutoring centers can make a real difference in a kid’s life.”

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Oh you looked up "lulz" in the urban dictionary and considererd it as a trustworthy source. The urban dictionary is indeed to be taken very seriously. This is what it says about "Scientology": 'See sham, fraud, fake, or any word adjacent to those. Basically its a falsetto 'religion' in which eternal happiness is attained by donating all of your money to the leaders. Founded by L. Ron Hubbard as a way to scheme money and make a fast buck off his books. One of the 'holiest' days in this religion is Hubbard's birthday. Because most celebrites such as Tom Cruise and John Travolta are too stupid to realize it, they belong to this group. If you even THINK of joining scientology, you should be kicked in the balls...hard. '

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
don't they bother to read he signs and actually hear what people are saying? are they deaf and blind?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
More "I'm noy a Scientologist, but...", eh? It's strange how quick Scientologists are to deny what they are. To see the other side of the story, visit www.youfoundthecard.com

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
"I was curious about how Scientologists feel about it, so I asked a few of them for their reactions" This is typical Scientology deception. The author is, in fact, a Scientologist and this is, in fact, propaganda from the church. Simply google the author luana1980 to see for yourself. Also: Why is the author posting under a pseudonym when she has such a problem with the concept of anonymous?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I would like to thank huliq.com for being more than willing to put out a press-release on behalf of an organisation as dangerous and evil as scientology. For those who don't know, the Cult of Scientology is a combination of a pyramid scheme, cult and business. They don't mess around, and have killed people in the past. I can quote two deaths just for the last two years - Shawn Lonsdale and Ken Ogger, both successfully harrassed to the point of suicide by the cult. This from an organisation that runs a front group names "The Citizens Commission for Human Rights". Their hipocracy would be funny if it wasn't so dangerous.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
"Luana" is a known Scientology propagandist. what she forgets to mention is that it is Scientologists who stand outside the orgs with cameras, taking thousands of pictures, following protesters home, and making threats. No scientologists have been harmed in any way, yet there are numerous documented cases of Scientologists threatening, harassing, and assaulting protesters. they've even assaulted and stolen signs from a disabled protester in a wheelchair. But they certainly have one advantage: a 24 hour a day seven day a week propaganda department. it's nice what millions of dollars can buy, even if you're an abusive, murderous cult.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Firstly: This article is an example of Ad Hominem, a logical fallacy. “X claims Y, but in the past has done Z – therefore Y is not true”. This article does nothing to prove Anonymous’ arguments wrong or respond to their criticism; it just attempts to discredit them by accusing them of harassing people. Secondly: The things said in this article are simply not things Anonymous does. If anyone did it, they certainly lost the respect of their fellow Anons. I’ve been to a few protests myself, and seen videos on Youtube of a lot of the other protests, and nothing like this has ever happened. In fact, Scientologists have come out to harass, challenge and provoke us. Look at the youtube video of Scientology “reverend” John Carmicheal following the protesters after they’d left, even after a police officer had told them to leave them alone, then trying to get one Anon to tell him his name and address, and calling him a “pussy” when he refuses. At the Sydney, Australia protests in May a Scientologist named Timmy came out and told us he could “take us all on” and attempted to provoke the Anons into doing something that could make them look bad. At the April protests a teenage Scientologist came to the protests and began angrily asking protesters “Have you even read Dianetics?” When told that they were protesting against the Church of Scientology’s fraud and abuse and not the actual beliefs of Scientologists, he changed his method and began yelling “fuck off” at everyone. Luckily, the Anons were prepared for this and didn’t do anything stupid. I’m sure you’ll be able to find video of this in Youtube as well. All Anonymous protests are organised on the internet on websites that anyone can access for free. Anonymous is unable to have secrets. Here is a list of rules suggested for protestors on the site Enturbulation.org, one of the biggest sites used to organise Anonymous protests: http://forums.enturbulation.org/16-introduction-activism/anon-before-you-protest-read-updated-208/ Take note of: “Rule #1: Stay cool. Rule #2: Stay cool, especially when harassed. You are an ambassador of Anonymous. Although individuals trying to disrupt your demonstration will get on your nerves, you must not lose your temper. Doing so will harm the protest and tarnish the reputation of Anonymous.” “Rule #3: Comply with the orders of law enforcement officers above all else. Doing otherwise is harmful the demonstration as a whole and may compromise your performance as a human being. Do not request badge numbers unless you are being treated in a very abusive manner, as doing so will anger officers.” “Rule #11: NO graffiti, destruction, or vandalism. Rule #12: If you want to do something stupid, pick another day. These should be self explanatory. Violation of these rules during a demonstration will tarnish the reputation of Anonymous, harm the demonstration itself and leave you vulnerable to attention from law enforcement.” If you want you can watch the protests being planned and look at all the ideas people have proposed for them. Anonymous protesters are encouraged to video the protests and upload them on youtube – watch the videos and decide for yourself whether it’s Anonymous or the Church Of Scientology doing the harassing. Please don’t just take this article’s word for it – see what’s happening for yourself.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Wow, for calling on the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) for support, someone sure isn't up on current events. For example, how the ADL was investigating the Co$ and whether the claims Anonymous was making were true or false. With stuff like Operation Freakout and Paulette Cooper, Operation Snow White and the largest infiltration of the F.B.I. in the history of the U.S. - which included Hubbard's own wife in the list of $cientologists that were arrested there - the $cieno you were talking to must not have done their research. Of course, with their Clam Sitter internet filtering software, it IS a bit hard to get to the facts when the Co$ is filtering everything that a $cientologist is able to see. As for lulz, lulz, as described by Fox11 in LA, is a corruption of LOL, which stands for Laugh Out Loud. Anonymous gets BIG lulz from raids and spoiling famous children's novels. As to respecting someone's right to protest, that $cientologist must not have been in Philadelphia, where the Co$ has obtained protest permits to prevent Anonymous from protesting. The only problem with this? They weren't protesting anything, and when called on it they put up a table with a banner that said "drugs" on it and said they were protesting drugs. Considering they only had the table out for two hours before taking it back inside and their permit was for the whole day, Philly decided to refuse their more recent applications for protest permits, citing the fact that when they apply for them they do not protest so much as stand around for a few hours before returning inside. As to helping the world, why doesn't he get a group of like-minded people to set up a protest of his own if he's so keen against the war in Iraq? Or if he wants to help the people of Sichuan, China, why doesn't he do something about it? the Co$ has always said how it wants to help in any way it can, why not go over there and do some good rather than having a big pity party? Actions speak louder than words, and so far the only actions the Co$ has taken were shutting down their offices and leaving for the day early rather than talk to the peaceful protesters. They also ask those protesting "What are your crimes?", automatically accusing someone whose identity they have no verifiable means of obtaining and therefor no real basis for asking such a question. However, when it comes to the Co$'s crimes, things like Operation Freakout and Operation Snow White are easily verified in legitimate, peer-reviewed sources. People like Lisa McPherson and Shawn Lonsdale that have died due to the scandal of $cientology. More others have been kidnapped, tortured, hypnotized, beaten, attacked, crushed, and damaged in general by those that believe they are doing the right thing in "handling" those that are regarded as SPs, or Suppressive Persons. This is blatantly wrong and needs to stop NOW. If you really want to learn about the Cult of $cientology, the information is freely available. Look for news on the internet. Look for Hubbard's books and flip through them yourself, and see how truly insane this man is. Look for "The Scandal of Scientology", written by Paulette Cooper. Look for people that can explain to you how the Co$ nearly ruined their lives, and have ruined the lives of their families through the vicious policy of Disconnection at ExScientologyKids.com. Look at the information located at xenu.net. Watch the Jason Beghe interview recorded by Mark Bunker, long-time activist against the Church of $cientology. Look at Mark Bunker's site, which contains mountains of information at xenutv.com. In the end, informing yourself about the Cult's crimes and their past is the best weapon against injustice that Anonymous has in it's arsenal. Defend yourself against ignorance, cowardice and hatred. Learn. Learn, learn, and learn some more, and when you think you can't handle any more, when you think you know everything, go out and learn again. Re-learn about Lisa McPherson. Re-learn about Shawn Lonsdale. Re-learn about those people whose lives have been ruined and those people whose lives are currently being destroyed by the Cult of $cientology. Thank you.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
"Scientologists Complain of Stalking and Harassment" That's ironic, considering that the Church of Scientology has been stalking and harassing critics for decades. They hire PI's to get the identities of members of Anonymous, and then send threatening letters to their houses, in a pitiful attempt to intimidate them. There is nothing illegal about the protests, and there are plenty of perfectly legitimate reasons for them to oppose the dangerous Cult. A quick internet search would have revealed that, if the author wanted to get more than the same BS that is regurgitated by every Scientologist. They believe exactly what they are told by their manipulative leader(s), and those lies are all you are going to get if you try to talk to them.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Scientologists complaining about stalking and harassment... Paradox is paradoxical. Or are they secretly calling for their church to end the abuses?

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